• #226: 7-Eleven – The World’s Biggest
    Oct 8 2025
    Joe Thompson saw the future shifting with the invention of the refrigerator. So with innovation after innovation we now have convenience stores. Dave Young: Welcome to the Empire Builders Podcast, teaching business owners the not-so-secret techniques that took famous businesses from mom-and-pop to major brands. Stephen Semple is a marketing consultant, story collector, and storyteller. I'm Stephen's sidekick and business partner, Dave Young. Before we get into today's episode, a word from our sponsor, which is... Well, it's us, but we're highlighting ads we've written and produced for our clients, so here's one of those. [OG Law Ad] Dave Young: Welcome to the Empire Builders Podcast, Dave Young here alongside Stephen Semple, and Stephen just whispered into my ear the name of the empire that we're going to discuss today, and oh, thank heaven. I've been waiting for this one to come along, 7-Eleven. Stephen Semple: 7-Eleven. Yeah. Dave Young: 7-Eleven. Stephen Semple: It's the largest retail chain in the world. Dave Young: Is it really? Stephen Semple: Yes. Yes. Dave Young: Is it franchises, or is it a combination of something? Stephen Semple: Oh, it's franchises. Dave Young: Okay. Stephen Semple: Yes, it's franchises. But 85,000 stores in 20 countries. Dave Young: That's amazing. Yeah, they're everywhere. Stephen Semple: There's 13,000 in Canada and the U.S. alone. Dave Young: You know what I love about their name? It's spelled the same no matter what language you speak. Stephen Semple: Well, that's a good point. I never thought about that. Dave Young: Right. You look at a 7-Eleven sign, and it doesn't matter what the native language is, it's two numerals, and you recognize that brand by the color and the numerals, and you know exactly what to expect. Stephen Semple: Yeah. They're the largest in the world. They're also now owned by a Japanese company. It was bought out after a disastrous leverage buyout that was done by the Thompson family, but a story as old as life itself. Dave Young: Sure. Stephen Semple: But back to 7-Eleven, and it's a story that starts back in 1927 in Dallas, Texas as the Southland Ice Company. Now, I wasn't actually able to find the founding date for the Southland Ice Company, everything, I found said it was 1927, but I really believe it happened before that. But that said, that's when our story starts, is in 1927, with the selling of blocks of ice. So we think about- Dave Young: Sure. Stephen Semple: ... in those days, ice houses were really important. People would go and buy big blocks of ice and take them home, and that was basically your ice box. Dave Young: Yeah, or there would be delivery trucks going around with big blocks of ice. Yeah, either way. Stephen Semple: Yeah. But it was an important part of life. We forget that how you kept things cool was, you basically had... Let's face it, what you basically had was a cooler in your house. You threw ice in the ice box, and that's what kept things cool. And look, every town had one, or if it was a bigger town, more than one. So Joe Thompson is the owner of the Southland Ice Company, but he sees this new trend coming, and he's a little bit worried. He's worried that refrigerators are going to start to steal his business. Now, the early refrigerators are actually quite dangerous. They would break down, and they would release these dangerous fumes. But in 1927, GE releases a new refrigerator that runs on Freon, and it could also get below freezing. Dave Young: Okay. Stephen Semple: And look, electricity was starting to be in most homes. And shortly after GE's launch, 56 other companies started to also develop refrigerators. Dave Young: So you could make your own ice. Stick it to the man. Stephen Semple: Yeah, there you go. Dave Young: Yes. Stephen Semple:
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    25 Min.
  • #225: Movie Concessions – Let’s All Go To The Lobby
    Oct 1 2025
    Joseph Blumenthal, Jack Beresin and Milton Holloway, all kind of came together to make movie concessions happen. Dave Young: Welcome to the Empire Builders Podcast, teaching business owners the not-so-secret techniques that took famous businesses from mom-and-pop to major brands. Stephen Semple is a marketing consultant, story collector and storyteller. I'm Stephen's sidekick and business partner, Dave Young. Before we get into today's episode, a word from our sponsor, which is, well, it's us. But we're highlighting ads we've written and produced for our clients so here's one of those. [Maven Roofing Ad] Dave Young: Welcome back to the Empire Builders Podcast, Dave Young here alongside Stephen Semple. And Stephen just told me what we're going to talk about today, and it's not really, I mean, it's an empire sort of. It's an empire in terms of its category, right? Stephen Semple: Yes, yes. Dave Young: But it's not so much like you can't put your finger on a brand name for it. So we're talking about movie concessions and how things got started. So I'm guessing in the early days, you didn't buy a big old thing of popcorn. You just sat down and watched a movie. Stephen Semple: No, that was what I found, so I found interesting about this, and I thought, and when I went down it, I was actually researching one particular business. And then what I suddenly realized is that, no, there's a couple of things that converge together that really made the modern movie concession. And there's three players that went into this, and all three of them ended up building fortunes in the process. That's Joseph Blumenthal, Jack Beresin and Milton Holloway, all kind of came together to make movie concessions happen. As we know today, movie concessions are like a multi-billion dollar business, and concession sales are like close to half of movie theater profits so they're a big deal. Dave Young: Where I am in Austin, we're, I don't know, half a mile from an Alamo Drafthouse, and I don't go to the theater as often as I did before all the things. But Alamo Drafthouse is known for pioneering like you have a menu and you sit down, you order a meal while you're, and they'll bring it to you in the theater. Stephen Semple: Yes. Dave Young: We've always known that you're going to spend more on popcorn and drinks, than you did it on the movie ticket. Stephen Semple: And they've taken it to a whole other level, but wasn't always that way, Dave. In June 19th, 1905- Dave Young: 1905? Stephen Semple: ... was the first movie, like the first movie showing kind of in a theater sort of setup, and they were called nickelodeons. That's what they called the early movie houses because it was nickel and all that other stuff. And it was super successful, and pop-ups started happening all over the place. And as we know, the early movies were silent. So what would happen is people would buy a ticket to go to the movie, like vendors would buy a ticket to go to the movie, and they would walk up and down the aisle going, "Popcorn, popcorn. Who wants..." and selling stuff just like they did at the ballgames and there was- Dave Young: Or the circus, yeah. Stephen Semple: But there was no connection to the theater. These were like, literally, Dave Young would buy a ticket, show up, and then basically walk up and down the aisle selling whatever food he had to sell. Dave Young: And they just let him. Stephen Semple: So concessions were not a thing at all. At all. Dave Young: Okay. Stephen Semple: So Jack Beresin is working at an opera house, and he's looking at a way to make some extra money, and he saw people buying and eating food at a nickelodeon. So he approaches his manager with the idea of, at this opera house now, you can't go up and down the aisles in the opera house. The whole idea, let's set up a table and do concessions during the intermission....
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    20 Min.
  • #224: Power Rangers – Japan Meets America
    Sep 24 2025
    Haim Saban is a Billionaire and it all started with a trip to Japan and only one thing on TV. Way to Go Go Power Rangers. Dave Young: Welcome to The Empire Builders Podcast, teaching business owners the not-so-secret techniques that took famous businesses from mom and pop to major brands. Stephen Semple is a marketing consultant, story collector, and storyteller. I'm Stephen's sidekick and business partner, Dave Young. Before we get into today's episode, a word from our sponsor, which is, well, it's us, but we're highlighting ads we've written and produced for our clients. So here's one of those. [OG Law Ad] Dave Young: Welcome back to The Empire Builders Podcast, and we're talking empires today. Stephen Semple's there. I'm here. I'm Dave. Gosh, if anybody that ever thought I was reading the intros like that, it's not okay. Stephen Semple: Mystery solved. Dave Young: Mystery solved. Never the same twice. So Stephen, you told me that we're going to talk about Power Rangers today, and I think of that like an entertainment franchise sort of thing, but also what also toys. Stephen Semple: They are also toys, yes. Dave Young: Was it one of those things where it's like, oh, we're going to invent this toy and then we're going to have an entertainment program to go along with it? Because these things seem to go hand in hand these days. Stephen Semple: Yeah, and they very much was hand in hand. The two came about very much together. And it's got an interesting history to it because it was launched in 1993 and it was created by Haim Saban, who is now a billionaire. He's gone on to do a bunch of things. Not just making a ton of money from this, but if you look him up on Wikipedia, it's estimated he's worth a couple of billion dollars. So he's done well in the entertainment industry. And Hasbro acquired the company back in 2019 for $522 million. So it certainly has contributed to his wealth. And he was a cartoon theme songwriter is where he got his start. Dave Young: Really? Okay. Stephen Semple: He worked on things like Professor Gadget and Masters of the Universe. Those were the things that he was writing theme songs for. Dave Young: Oh, cool. Stephen Semple: But he wanted to create his own property. He always wanted to have his own thing. And at the time, he's on a business trip in Japan, and the only thing you can get on the TV is this Japanese animated series called Choudenshi Bioman, which is part of what they call a Super Sentai series. And Saban was fascinated by this concept of five masked people in spandex fighting monsters. So it's in 1985, and he produces a pilot of Bioman. And the idea of adapting Japanese productions to the US market started basically in 1970 with Marvel. Marvel did a deal with Toei Company to exchange ideas, and Toei created a Japanese version of Spider-Man that did actually really well. And what Marvel tried to bring to the US, not so much. So it sort of worked. Initially, America to Japan was working, but Japan back to America was not working as well. But that didn't stop Saban. So what he decided to do was create a show where they could keep the original action scenes, because the action scenes are complex and hard to film, and then just replace the other scenes with good-looking American actors. So basically when there was the action scenes, it was actually the original Japanese content. And then they would put in... Dave Young: Oh, wow. Stephen Semple: Yeah, he just basically said, okay, here's this Japanese thing. I'll keep the original story. I'll keep the Japanese content. And then where any of the acting is, I'll put in good-looking American actors. Basically that footage is already shot and the toys already existed. So it was also economical to import it to the United States. This was his idea. So he gets a meeting with Toei and Bandai, and they agree. What the heck? Sure. Take our content.
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    18 Min.
  • #223: Untuckit – Shirt. Problem. Solved.
    Sep 18 2025
    Chris Ricobono walked into garment makers all over the fashion district in New York and no one would make an off spec shirt for him. Dave Young: Welcome to the Empire Builders Podcast, teaching business owners the not-so-secret techniques that took famous businesses from mom and pop to major brands. Stephen Semple is a marketing consultant, story collector, and storyteller. I'm Stephen's sidekick in business partner Dave Young. Before we get into today's episode, a word from our sponsor, which is, well, it's us, but we're highlighting ads we've written and produced for our clients. So here's one of those. [Pinpoint Payments Ad] Dave Young: Welcome back to the Empire Builders Podcast, Dave Young here alongside Stephen Semple. And we're talking about empires being built and fortunes being made and brands being established and something different happening. And you mentioned the theme for today's show. The topic is a shirt brand called Untuck it. Stephen Semple: Untuck it, Dave Young: And I am a little familiar with them. Number one, Stephen Semple: Oh my God, a fashion brand that Dave's a little bit familiar with. Dave Young: Oh, I own two of them. I have two shirts. And I feel like I'm responsible for the brand. Stephen Semple: Okay. Dave Young: I'm just that kind of guy that my torso is the weird length and I cannot for the life of me keep a shirt tucked in. So years ago, I quit trying, unless I'm going to be in a tuxedo with a cummerbund that tightens that up. I'm like, you're not going to find me in a tucked in shirt because it'll untuck itself. So I've always embraced the idea of buy shirts that look good, whether they're tucked in or not, and Untuck It actually created dress shirts. Stephen Semple: Yes, sir. Dave Young: That you don't tuck in. You've got quite enough tail to be tucked in. So I'm interested in how they got their start. And I bought my two shirts from an actual Untuck store in a mall in Portland, Oregon. Stephen Semple: There you go. Yeah. Dave Young: So I think I know where you're headed with this, the experience. Stephen Semple: Yeah. Today they have, I think they're approaching 90 stores now today, and they also now have got a women's line and of course a major strong online presence. But it was founded by Chris Ricobono and Aaron Sendez in Hoboken, New Jersey in 2010. And they are, as you said, a shirt designed to be worn untucked. And in fact, their early ads featured Chris basically walking down the road talking about how this is what he wanted to create. And they're kind of funny actually. If you go look at them, they're a great origin story. And he's walking down the street in New Jersey and he has this unbelievably serious tone to him about how he wanted to fix this whole shirt problem. And that actually in the early days, David Letterman and Colbert and whatnot were making fun of these ads, which he loved. Like, "Hey, I'm getting some free press here." But yeah, go and check them out on YouTube. Kind of great. I can really understand why those ads work. So Chris grew up in New Jersey and he took finance and college, and he was actually always really nervous about corporate America. He was worried about his career. And so his whole idea was he was going to get a job, but while he got the job, he was going to look for what the next thing was going to be. So he was always looking for the next idea. And he was nervous in corporate America because he wasn't good in crowds, and he wasn't good with spreadsheets and he wasn't good with socializing. So he always sort of felt like he was an outsider there And eventually got a job being a salesperson and medical devices for GE. And he was there for about 10 years, but he knew he was never going to be long-term. And while he was at GE, he did an MBA at Columbia and it stimulated a lot of ideas for him, and he knew he needed to get an idea.
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    21 Min.
  • #222: Avis – They Try Harder…
    Sep 10 2025
    Avis found a loophole for selling used cars at whatever price he wanted. This became the norm for all rental companies. Dave Young: Welcome to the Empire Builders Podcast, teaching business owners the not-so-secret techniques that took famous businesses from mom and pop to major brands. Stephen Semple is a marketing consultant, story collector, and storyteller. I'm Stephen's sidekick and business partner, Dave Young. Before we get into today's episode, a word from our sponsor, which is, well, it's us, but we're highlighting ads we've written and produced for our clients. So here's one of those. [ECO Office Ad] Dave Young: Welcome to the Empire Builders Podcast, Dave Young, here alongside Stephen Semple. And again, breaking from tradition, if you listen to the episode just before this, which is the Hertz Rental Car, you realize that we have a spoiler. Stephen told me the topic of this podcast, gosh, a whole podcast ago. Stephen Semple: That's it. Dave Young: We talked about Hertz Rental cars, and now we're going to tell the story of Avis, number two, but they try harder. Stephen Semple: If you haven't listened to Hertz, I recommend go back and listen to it because these two stories kind of tie together. And it is interesting. We think about Avis as number two. They're not number two any longer. They're now number three. It's now Enterprise, Hertz, Avis. But that's a whole different thing. Avis is still... Look, it's a massive business. They have 5,500 locations. They do 5 billion in sales. They're a big deal. And they were founded by Warren Avis in Detroit in 1946. So just shortly after the end of World War II. Dave Young: Okay. Stephen Semple: So the war's over. Troops are returning home. Cars are now being produced for the domestic market. Because, if you remember, one of the things we talked about in the last episode was you could not sell a car domestically. All car production was going into the war effort. We've got people returning home. Roads are being built. The suburbs are the place to be. Cars are now being produced for the domestic market, and sales are exploding for cars. It's going crazy. And so Warren decides to open a Ford dealership. He sinks 10 grand of his own money in. He gets a $75,000 loan. But there's one problem with being a new car dealer at this time. The federal government puts a cap on what you can charge for a car. So there's price controls on cars. So it's actually hard to make a living selling new cars because the margin is really thin, even though lots of people want to buy it. Dave Young: If you're renting cars, you're selling them over and over and over almost. Stephen Semple: Well, you're really close. Warren finds a loophole that you can hold onto a car for six months, and then sell it as a used car, no restriction. So this is what he starts doing. However, this creates an expensive inventory problem. So it's hard to do and hard to grow because he's holding onto the cars for six months. Around this time, Warren Avis rents a car from Hertz. Now, if you remember in the Hertz episode, while Hertz did amazingly well during the war because you couldn't get a car and they had cars for rent, at the same time they couldn't replace their cars. So the cars by this time were pretty rough. Dave Young: Yeah. Oh, I bet. I mean, usually rental cars now, you don't have to have very many miles on them to have them be a little rough. Stephen Semple: And Hertz was also in what was now becoming poor locations because Hertz had located in downtown locations, and now people are moving out to the suburbs. So it was out of the way, kind of a crappy car. So Avis decides to take his new cars that he has on the lot, rent them, and then sell them as used at the six-month mark, which means he would always have new cars for rent. Dave Young: Yeah, this is the business model they're all in now. Stephen Semple: Yes.
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    15 Min.
  • #221: Hertz – 10 Years After The Model “T”
    Sep 3 2025
    Walter Jacobs was an automotive geek. From the assembly line to owning a Ford dealership to Rental Car King. Walter built and Empire. Dave Young: Welcome to the Empire Builders Podcast. Teaching business owners the not-so-secret techniques that took famous businesses from mom and pop to major brands. Stephen Simple is a marketing consultant, story collector, and storyteller. I'm Stephen's sidekick and business partner, Dave Young. Before we get into today's episode, a word from our sponsor, which is ... Well, it's us. But we're highlighting ads we've written and produced for our clients, so here's one of those. [Travis Crawford Ad] Dave Young: Welcome back to the Empire Builders Podcast. Dave Young here alongside Stephen Semple, and we're talking about empires. We're talking about big businesses that started out as usually smaller businesses. None of them ever start big, Stephen, when are we going to talk about businesses that just started huge? Stephen Semple: I don't know that they're as interesting, Dave Young: But today we're talking about Hertz Rental Car. Stephen Semple: Yes. Hertz Rental Car. Dave Young: And in my mind, they've always been the big one. They're the big guy. They're the top dog. Stephen Semple: Well, actually in the market today they're number two. Enterprise is the largest one, and they're number two, and then Avis is number three. Dave Young: But the Enterprise combined ... They conglomerated a bunch of them, right? Stephen Semple: Yeah. And there's even a few that are under Hertz as well these days. None of them are just one banner anymore. Dave Young: Yeah. Everything's becoming one brand. Stephen Semple: They're big. They do over nine billion in revenues in 160 countries, and they're part of the S&P 600. So they're a big deal. Dave Young: They've been big for a while. Stephen Semple: They've been big for a long time. Dave Young: I remember when Avis started, this was back in the Mad Men era. The big idea, the big advertising slogan for Avis was, "We're number two, but we try harder." So at that point, Hertz was number one. Stephen Semple: Yeah. We'll find out as we go into the story, Hertz was the first national brand as well. Dave Young: Okay. Stephen Semple: So they really, and in many ways, kind of created the car rental business as we know it today. Dave Young: Awesome. Stephen Semple: They were founded by Walter Jacobs in 1918 in Chicago. And as I was saying, today they do like nine billion in revenue. So it's 1918 in Chicago, and the Model T Ford has been out for 10 years. There's about six million cars on the road, which is about 60 cars per 1000 people in the United States at that time. So they're pretty new, but you'll see a car. They're not foreign, but they're not new. It's kind of at that stage where you'll see them. Dave Young: Sure. Stephen Semple: So now back to Walter Jacobs. Walter's this real car junkie, and he had started out actually working on an assembly line, and now he owns a Ford car dealership. He really sees cars as the future. And when he opens the dealership, he has some sales success, but he runs into a problem. Lots of people are coming in to test drive a car, but they really still see them as a novelty. So if you think about it, there's no driver's license. Vehicles are standard, they're not automatic. And he would take people out for this test drive and it's kind of exciting, and it's a thrill, but what he's finding is that people are coming to do these test drives for the thrill. They're not really buying, to the stage where people come back and offer him money to take the test drive. Dave Young: Do another test drive. Stephen Semple: It was almost like an amusement ride for them. So lots of people want to drive, they don't want to buy it. And Walter looks at it and goes, well, people like the idea of a car.
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    18 Min.
  • #220: LeNoble Lumber (con’t) – 3 Generations Strong
    Aug 27 2025
    LeNoble has prided itself, since generation #1, that because it is hard to do, it has to get done. Then mastered the how... Dave Young: Welcome to the Empire Builders Podcast, teaching business owners the not-so-secret techniques that took famous businesses from mom and pop to major brands. Stephen Simple is a marketing consultant, story collector and storyteller. I'm Stephen's sidekick and business partner, Dave Young. Before we get into today's episode, a word from our sponsor, which is, well, it's us, but we're highlighting ads we've written and produced for our clients. So here's one of those. [Tapper's Jewelers Ad] Rick: Told you, Brian. Brian: Told me what? Rick: This is part two of last week's episode. Brian: Oh, yeah. And it was getting good. Rick: If you missed it, go back and listen to part one first. Take it away, fellas. Stephen Semple: There's got to be some really interesting, unique challenges to delivering your products and whatnot in Manhattan. Dan LeNoble: Yeah, Manhattan, it's just tough dealing with the congestion, the amount of people and everything like that. It is not an easy place to do it. If it was easy, everyone would do it. But what we've spent a lot of time and resources doing are hiring the right people to do the job. And Ben does a lot of our hiring as well as a few other key people in our organization and finding people that want to do it the right way, don't want to cut corners, don't want to, I'm going to park the truck on the corner here and they can come find me. Getting good drivers, good yard guys, that's the world of difference. It's simple to say no, but how do we get to yes. Stephen Semple: That's interesting. Dan LeNoble: And getting those key people has really been, I think that's what transforms us. I think our people are our single greatest asset that we have. Everyone around us it makes our life that much easier because of their skill and professionalism. Jessica LeNoble: Our dispatch team is incredible when it comes to navigating what truck goes where if there was a mistake, how to fix it. And there's never... I shouldn't say never, but there's not a blame game. If I go downstairs and I'm like, "Hey, this happened." The first thing out of the dispatcher's mouth is, "All right, what do we have to do to fix it? How do we get this done so that way they're happy?" Stephen Semple: Well, in this dispatch thing, I just want to give some background that people may not realize is in the construction space, in the home services space, I have lots of clients who are in the suburbs of a city, whether it's Philadelphia or Toronto or Vancouver or Los Angeles, who will say, "Yeah, we do not go into the downtown core because it's a pain in the neck. It's too hard. It's too difficult. There's all these challenges." I think both Jessica and Dan, you guys hit the nail in the head. What you're recognizing is one of your competitive advantages is dispatch. And also people getting that parking around the corner and they'll find us ain't good enough. You've got, yes, the city's challenging and you just have to overcome that challenge. Jessica LeNoble: We've never been outside of the city, so this is what we know. Stephen Semple: Right. Right. Dan LeNoble: I think also one of the things that is giving them the tools to use, and what I mean the tools in this case is just some of the logistics with trucks. It's easier to just have these massive tractor trailers that you can load up with however many stops and it just goes on its run. But when you're dealing with these narrow city streets and you have to make these sometimes, not huge deliveries, having a smaller truck that's nimble and can actually maneuver gives you a little advantage. So for a company our size, we're operating 42 vehicles that range anywhere from little box trucks up to those big trailers and everything in between.
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    23 Min.
  • #219: LeNoble Lumber – 3 Generations Strong
    Aug 20 2025
    Jessica, Dan and Ben took on the responsibility of the family business and are driving it into the future. Three more generations please. Dave Young: Welcome to the Empire Builders Podcast, teaching business owners the not-so-secret techniques that took famous businesses from mom-and-pop to major brands. Stephen Semple is a marketing consultant, story collector, and storyteller. I'm Stephen's sidekick and business partner, Dave Young. Before we get into today's episode, a word from our sponsor, which is... Well, it's us. But we're highlighting ads we've written and produced for our clients. So here's one of those. [No Bull RV Ad] Stephen Semple: Hey, it's Stephen Semple here with the Empire Builders Podcast, and we're giving Dave Young the day off. And in replacement of Dave, I've got three really fun people that I know you're going to love hearing their story, three folks from LeNoble Lumber. And I'm going to let them introduce themselves and tell us a little bit about each one of them because we've got me plus three people. So this is a little bit different, but I know everyone's going to find this an awesome story. So because we're all really super polite people, it's ladies first, which means Jessica, you're up first. Jessica LeNoble: I'm Jessica LeNoble. I am the last one to join the business of the three. I've been here for almost a year now. Dan, who you'll meet in a minute, is my older brother. And it's just great to be here. Stephen Semple: All right, awesome. Thanks, Jessica. Well, Dan, you've been teed up here now. She teed you up. Dan LeNoble: Hi. So I'm Dan LeNoble. I'm vice president of LeNoble Lumber. As said before, Jessica is my younger sister. Ben is also my partner over here. I've been full-time with the company for over 15 years now. And just excited to be here as well. Stephen Semple: All right, awesome. And Ben. Ben Bernstein: Yep. Stephen Semple: Now, I know this is a podcast. We can't see that Ben's wearing his very special, bright, lime green, fluorescent tuxedo because he's calling in today from the shop. So Ben, let us know a little bit about you. Ben Bernstein: Yeah, my name is Ben Bernstein. I am co-vice president with Dan. I have been with the company since 2013. All of us are just very happy to be here, excited to be on the podcast. Stephen Semple: And here's the thing that I think is really special before we get into things is you guys are kind of in a pretty special place when it comes to businesses in America and the world. The business was established in, if I remember correctly, I think it was 1965. Dan LeNoble: Correct. Stephen Semple: By Paul, right? And you guys are generation number three, really, to be coming through the business. Isn't that correct? Jessica LeNoble: Yep. Dan LeNoble: Yeah, to this company, we're the third generation, but the three of us, in terms of the lumber industry, we go back even further than that. I know for a fact Jess and myself we're at least fifth generation in the lumber and I believe Ben is also further along as well. So we're third generation to this business, but we kind of joke that we don't have blood, we have sawdust in our veins. Stephen Semple: But I don't think a lot of people realize the success rate of a business still being successful and in the hands of the third generation is really rare. There is actually not many businesses that have managed to do that. It's amazing how often either the business has rolled up or it's been sold to somebody else or has been merged with something and has kind of disappeared. But for this to be around and still prosperous and happening in generation three is really, really special. And you guys should pat yourself on the back on that, that you've been able to do all of those transitions. Ben Bernstein: Well, I think the credit for that really goes to the generations before us that have seen the vision of see...
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    24 Min.