What happens when something you used to love suddenly feels exhausting?

In this Between the Seasons episode of Why Does It Feel So Wrong to Be Human at Work?, hosts Pinaki Kathiari and Chris Lee are joined by Rich Dome, Senior Director of Partnerships at Local Wisdom, as Bree brings a Reddit story to the table about networking burnout.

The post comes from a seasoned sales professional who once thrived at conferences but now feels drained, overwhelmed, and ready to disappear by lunchtime. The team unpacks what is really going on beneath the surface. Is it networking fatigue, startup pressure, internal politics, or a battery that has been running on empty for too long?

Rich shares his go-to strategies for approaching conferences with intention, including how to “pregame” mentally, do meaningful research ahead of time, and build relationships without leading with a sales pitch. The group also talks about trade show booth dynamics, the pressure to perform in startup environments, and why selling under stress rarely works.

They explore how to recharge when you are stuck at a multi-day event in another city, from taking intentional breaks to dividing and conquering as a team. Most importantly, they remind listeners that networking works best when it is rooted in curiosity and connection, not transactions.

In this episode, they discuss:

● Why networking burnout is often a sign of deeper exhaustion
● How startup pressure can change your relationship with sales
● The importance of charging your battery before a conference
● Researching attendees to spark real conversations
● Why leading with connection beats leading with a pitch
● How to reset mid-conference when you feel drained
● The power of teaming up so no one feels alone

If conferences have started to feel heavier than they used to, this conversation is a reminder that you are not broken. You might just need a reset.

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Pinaki Kathiari – LinkedIn | Local Wisdom

Chris Lee – LinkedIn | Gallagher Communication

Bree Bartos – LinkedIn | Local Wisdom

Special thanks to digital communication agency Local Wisdom (www.localwisdom.com) for really believing in our mission and making this podcast possible.

If this episode made you think differently, laugh, or even yell out loud, we want to hear about it! Connect with us on LinkedIn, and don’t forget to rate, review, and share – maybe with your work bestie… or even your boss if you're feeling bold.

We also bring these important conversations to conferences and private workshops, creating space for real, meaningful change. Take the first step at www.whydoesitfeelsowrong.com.

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Conferences are not just about the sessions. The real magic often happens in hallway conversations, over coffee, or at the table where someone is sitting alone.

In this Between the Seasons episode of Why Does It Feel So Wrong to Be Human at Work?, hosts Pinaki Kathiari and Chris Lee are joined by Rich Dome, Senior Director of Partnerships at Local Wisdom, to talk about how to approach conferences with intention. After a busy year of events, the team reflects on what makes an experience meaningful, how to build real relationships, and why networking does not have to feel transactional.

Rich shares his “30-second rule” for finding common ground, why listening matters more than pitching, and how to leave conversations with a clear next step. The group also talks about conference anxiety, introversion, and why many of us feel intimidated walking into a room full of strangers. You are not the only one.

In this episode, they discuss:

• Why the best conference moments rarely happen on stage
• How to find common ground quickly and authentically
• Advice for introverts and anyone who feels socially anxious
• Why you should never lead with a sales pitch
• The importance of having a conference playbook
• How to turn one conversation into a long-term partnership

If you are heading to an event this year, consider this your reminder that relationships are the real ROI.

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Chris Lee – LinkedIn | Gallagher Communication

Bree Bartos – LinkedIn | Local Wisdom

Special thanks to digital communication agency Local Wisdom (www.localwisdom.com) for really believing in our mission and making this podcast possible.

If this episode made you think differently, laugh, or even yell out loud, we want to hear about it! Connect with us on LinkedIn, and don’t forget to rate, review, and share – maybe with your work bestie… or even your boss if you're feeling bold.

We also bring these important conversations to conferences and private workshops, creating space for real, meaningful change. Take the first step at www.whydoesitfeelsowrong.com.

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In this Between the Seasons episode, hosts Pinaki Kathiari and Chris Lee welcome Amanda Todd, Senior Director of Strategic Communications at Temporal Technologies, for a practical and honest conversation about measuring what actually matters in internal communications.

The episode kicks off with a Reddit post asking a familiar question: why is it so hard to define meaningful KPIs for internal comms, especially when reporting to executives? From there, the conversation moves beyond open rates and attendance numbers to examine clarity as a powerful indicator of understanding, behavior, and business impact.

Amanda shares why clarity is often the missing link between communication activity and outcomes, and how tying comms metrics to strategy, retention, and employee lifetime value can change how leaders see the function. Chris and Pinaki add perspective on leading versus lagging indicators, why executives care more about outcomes than outputs, and how internal comms teams can advocate for their value without burning themselves out.

Together, they explore what it means to measure understanding, action, and impact, and why internal communicators deserve credit for the sheer volume and visibility of the work they ship every day.

In this episode, they discuss:

• Why traditional comms metrics fall short with executive audiences
• Clarity as a measurable driver of performance and retention
• Leading vs. lagging indicators in internal communications
• How to align comms metrics to company strategy
• Why internal comms teams should track and own their productivity
• What executives actually care about when it comes to measurement

It’s a grounded, validating conversation for anyone in internal communications who’s ever been told to “just show the numbers” and wondered which ones truly matter.

Timestamps

00:00 – Welcome to Between the Seasons

01:30 – Introducing Amanda Todd and today’s Reddit post

03:00 – Why comms measurement feels so hard

05:30 – The limits of open rates and attendance metrics

07:30 – Clarity as a meaningful indicator

10:00 – Leading vs. lagging indicators explained

12:30 – What executives actually care about

15:00 – Productivity, visibility, and internal comms burnout

17:30 – Tying clarity to retention and business outcomes

18:45 – Closing thoughts and what’s next

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Pinaki Kathiari – LinkedIn | Local Wisdom

Chris Lee – LinkedIn | Gallagher Communication

Bree Bartos – LinkedIn | Local Wisdom

Special thanks to digital communication agency Local Wisdom (www.localwisdom.com) for really believing in our mission and making this podcast possible.

If this episode made you think differently, laugh, or even yell out loud, we want to hear about it! Connect with us on LinkedIn, and don’t forget to rate, review, and share – maybe with your work bestie… or even your boss if you're feeling bold.

We also bring these important conversations to conferences and private workshops, creating space for real, meaningful change. Take the first step at www.whydoesitfeelsowrong.com.

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In this Between the Seasons episode, Pinaki Kathiari and Chris Lee sit down with Amanda Todd, Senior Director of Communications at Temporal Technologies, to unpack why clarity is one of the most critical outcomes of effective internal communication.

Amanda shares her “squiggly” path into internal comms, her belief in honesty as a core communications skill, and how working in complex, fast-growing organizations pushed her to rethink how success is measured. Drawing on research and real-world experience, she explains how she helped build a Clarity Index that turns something often seen as “soft” into a measurable business metric.

The conversation explores what it really means to communicate for the receiver, not the sender, why personas matter inside organizations just as much as they do in marketing, and how clarity around strategy, roles, career paths, and culture can directly influence engagement, confidence, and retention.

This episode is a grounded, practical look at how internal communicators can move beyond vanity metrics, earn credibility with leadership teams, and advocate for the strategic value of their work.

In this episode, they discuss:

Why clarity should be treated as a core communications outcome

How honesty builds trust and effectiveness in internal comms

What it means to communicate for the receiver, not the sender

Using personas to simplify complex organizations

How a Clarity Index can turn comms into a measurable business driver

The link between clarity, confidence, and employee retention

Why internal communicators deserve a seat at the strategy table

Timestamps

00:00 – Welcome to Between the Seasons and today’s topic

01:45 – Amanda’s squiggly career path into internal communications

03:10 – Navigating complexity and subcultures inside organizations

04:15 – Communicating for the receiver, not the sender

06:00 – Honesty as a core communications skill

07:10 – Introducing clarity as a measurable metric

08:40 – Building a Clarity Index and what it measures

11:30 – Using data to influence executive teams

14:05 – Linking clarity to strategy, engagement, and retention

16:30 – Using clarity data to shape communications strategy

18:20 – Advice for internal communicators measuring clarity

19:45 – Final reflections on clarity and the human side of work

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Pinaki Kathiari – LinkedIn | Local Wisdom

Chris Lee – LinkedIn | Gallagher Communication

Bree Bartos – LinkedIn | Local Wisdom

Special thanks to digital communication agency Local Wisdom (www.localwisdom.com) for really believing in our mission and making this podcast possible.

If this episode made you think differently, laugh, or even yell out loud, we want to hear about it! Connect with us on LinkedIn, and don’t forget to rate, review, and share – maybe with your work bestie… or even your boss if you're feeling bold.

We also bring these important conversations to conferences and private workshops, creating space for real, meaningful change. Take the first step at www.whydoesitfeelsowrong.com.

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In this Between the Seasons episode of Why Does It Feel So Wrong to Be Human at Work?, hosts Pinaki Kathiari and Chris Lee are joined by Executive Producer Bree Bartos to try a new format: reading and reacting to real Reddit posts about work.

The episode centers on a Reddit story from an IT professional who was laid off and then asked to train their replacement. As the conversation unfolds, Pinaki, Chris, and Bree dig into the emotional weight of layoffs, including anger, grief, humiliation, and the sense of being discarded after years of contribution.

Bree brings her own recent layoff experience into the discussion, reflecting on how raw these moments can feel and how difficult it is to separate identity from work when income, stability, and self-worth are suddenly disrupted. Together, they examine why layoffs often feel personal, even when organizations insist they are not.

The conversation also turns toward leadership and organizations. What responsibility do companies have once someone is laid off? How can layoffs be handled with more empathy and care? And what does it look like to offboard people in ways that acknowledge both the business reality and the human impact?

In this episode, they discuss:

• Why layoffs are emotionally disruptive and often traumatic
• Being asked to train your replacement after being laid off
• Power, choice, and negotiation during offboarding
• Why “not taking it personally” is unrealistic in moments like this
• The emotional gap between organizational decisions and employee experience
• What more compassionate layoff and offboarding practices could look like

This episode offers an honest look at a reality many people are facing right now and a reminder that how organizations handle endings leaves a lasting impression.

Timestamps

00:00 – Welcome to Between the Seasons

00:40 – Introducing the Reddit reaction format

01:10 – Reading the layoff and replacement training story

02:20 – Emotional reactions to the post

03:45 – Power and negotiation after a layoff

05:15 – Bree reflects on her own layoff experience

07:30 – Why layoffs feel personal and humiliating

09:40 – Leadership blind spots during layoffs

11:30 – Rethinking offboarding and support

13:30 – What more human leadership could look like

14:50 – Closing reflections

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Pinaki Kathiari – LinkedIn | Local Wisdom

Chris Lee – LinkedIn | Gallagher Communication

Bree Bartos – LinkedIn | Local Wisdom

Special thanks to digital communication agency Local Wisdom (www.localwisdom.com) for really believing in our mission and making this podcast possible.

If this episode made you think differently, laugh, or even yell out loud, we want to hear about it! Connect with us on LinkedIn, and don’t forget to rate, review, and share – maybe with your work bestie… or even your boss if you're feeling bold.

We also bring these important conversations to conferences and private workshops, creating space for real, meaningful change. Take the first step at www.whydoesitfeelsowrong.com.

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This Between the Seasons episode marks the start of a new chapter for Why Does It Feel So Wrong to Be Human at Work?

Hosts Pinaki Kathiari and Chris Lee introduce Bree Bartos, the new Executive Producer and Editor of Human at Work and Marketing Manager at Local Wisdom. Before diving into Bree’s story, Pinaki and Chris share what listeners can expect from these new, weekly Between the Seasons episodes.

Bree then opens up about her path into marketing and storytelling, her experience being laid off alongside her husband, and the shock of losing not just a job, but a sense of identity. Together, they reflect on burnout, rest, and why so many of us tie our worth to our work.

In this episode, they discuss:

• Why Between the Seasons exists and what listeners can expect
• The value of unscripted, honest conversations
• What it feels like to be laid off without closure
• How work can quietly become identity
• The importance of rest, reflection, and reconnecting with yourself
• Why staying human at work starts with empathy
• It’s a grounding, vulnerable start to Between the Seasons and a reminder that behind every role, title, and podcast is a human first.

Timestamps

00:00 – Welcome to Between the Seasons

01:00 – Why this new format exists

02:30 – Introducing Bree and her role behind the pod

04:10 – Bree’s path into storytelling and marketing

07:40 – Being laid off and losing a sense of identity

11:30 – Burnout, rest, and redefining self-worth

13:00 – What’s coming next for Between the Seasons

Stay Human, Stay Curious

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Special thanks to digital communication agency Local Wisdom (www.localwisdom.com) for really believing in our mission and making this podcast possible.

If this episode made you think differently, laugh, or even yell out loud, we want to hear about it! Connect with us on LinkedIn, and don’t forget to rate, review, and share – maybe with your work bestie… or even your boss if you're feeling bold.

We also bring these important conversations to conferences and private workshops, creating space for real, meaningful change. Take the first step at www.whydoesitfeelsowrong.com.

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We might be between seasons… but we still have lots to say 🤭

Introducing Between the Seasons – a new, weekly series featuring shorter episodes, honest reactions, and real, unscripted conversations.

🚨 Episode 1 drops next week! Tune in on Thursday, Jan. 15 on your podcast app of choice or on YouTube where you'll finally we able to watch along 🎉

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Pinaki Kathiari – LinkedIn | Local Wisdom

Chris Lee – LinkedIn | Gallagher Communication

Bree Bartos – LinkedIn | Local Wisdom

Special thanks to digital communication agency Local Wisdom (www.localwisdom.com) for really believing in our mission and making this podcast possible.

If this episode made you think differently, laugh, or even yell out loud, we want to hear about it! Connect with us on LinkedIn, and don’t forget to rate, review, and share – maybe with your work bestie… or even your boss if you're feeling bold.

We also bring these important conversations to conferences and private workshops, creating space for real, meaningful change. Take the first step at www.whydoesitfeelsowrong.com.

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