What does a truly healthy and interdependent community look like in practice, and how can individuals contribute to its creation?

This episode explores what a healthy, interdependent community looks like when public safety isn’t just the job of police, but of every citizen. Hosts Carol, Mike, and Kristin share personal stories and strategies for shifting from fear-based systems to collaborative, citizen-led solutions. Together, they reveal how mutual trust, shared vision, and co-creation can drive real, lasting change.

Topics that Chief Mike Butler, Dr. Carol Engel-Enright, and Kristin Daley explore in this episode:

(9:40) Overcoming Fear and Building Trust

* How fear can stall progress on both sides of public safety.

* How internal organizational change at Mike’s department enabled external community trust.

* Creating a safe environment through trial, error, and learning.

(22:27) Co-Creation in Action

* How police officers and citizens can co-create solutions, including restorative justice courts and cultural awareness training.

* The need for a shared vision and mutual design of safety systems.

(27:54) Community Engagement

* How active citizen participation can reshape systems.

(45:05) How You Can Make a Difference

* Actionable tips for everyday citizens.

This episode of Beyond the Bandaids is brought to you by Project PACT (Police And Community Together). Learn more about Project PACT by visiting https://projectpact.org/

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Connect with the co-hosts of Beyond the Bandaids:

Chief Mike Butler on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mike-butler-6b0b2587/

Dr. Carol Engel-Enright on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/carol-engel-enright-97701a10/

Kristin Daley on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kristin-daley-23bb7b26b/

The following three organizations—each committed to enhancing community well-being and policing integrity—joined forces to create Project PACT.

Law Enforcement Action Partnership (LEAP): https://lawenforcementactionpartnership.org/

New Blue: https://newblue.org/

The School of Statesmanship, Stewardship & Service (SOSSAS): https://sossas.org/

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