"Are you effing kidding me?" That's what Dr. Pamela Steele was thinking while she sat there politely smiling, because a man she'd just met for a drink and an appetizer had invited her to a nudist colony in France.
Danielle Griffiths and Brooke Benevento welcome Pamela back for part two, and the tone shifts from grief to the other half of her book, Nights of Hunger: A Cocktail of Grief, Dreams, and Dating for Old-Ass Women. After 39 years of marriage and the sudden loss of her husband Patrick, Pamela spent about 18 months feeling completely numb, wondering if she was capable of feeling anything ever again. Then one online acquaintance woke something up, and that's the reason the dating chapters exist at all.
They get into what online dating actually looks like now: profile photos taken in front of an absolute disaster, AI profiles and romance scams, men who send a heart instead of a sentence, and the weekend Pamela discovered someone was impersonating her on a dating site, then got banned for life with no explanation. She walks through her no-no list, including how a man treats waitstaff, politics, health, emotional intelligence, and honest communication, and makes the case that "be yourself" only works if you actually know yourself.
She also talks about the chapter she's still a little embarrassed by, the nine-page email from a man who felt his story wasn't long enough, the two-month relationship whose ending brought every earlier loss crashing back at once, and the Buddhist phrase that anchors the book: no mud, no lotus.
This is part two of two. Part one, on grief and learning to live again, is the previous episode.
In this episode, you'll learn:
- Why Pamela put the dating stories in a book about grief, and the man who proved she could still feel
- Eighteen months of numbness after Patrick died, and what finally broke through it
- The nudist colony invitation, and what was really going through her head behind the polite smile
- Why everyone in the book got a new name, and the friends who worked out who was who anyway
- How much dating has changed: landlines and meeting people at work versus apps, algorithms, and geolocation
- Spotting AI profiles and romance scams, and the man who assumed she'd ask him for money
- Getting banned for life from a dating site after someone impersonated her, with no reason ever given
- Pamela's no-no list: rudeness to waitstaff, political leaning, health, emotional intelligence, and honest communication
- Why "be yourself" doesn't work until you know yourself, and where boundaries come in
- Wanting a companion without being willing to settle for the wrong one
- Turning men into friends when the romance clearly isn't there
- "Michael the Northerner," chapter 13, and the courage and embarrassment of having been that honest
- The nine-page email from a man who thought his chapter was too short
- Compound grief: how a two-month relationship ending brought all her earlier losses back at once
- No mud, no lotus, and why distracting yourself from pain only delays the healing
- The geography of the heart: how pain stops filling all of it without ever leaving
- Navigating versus steering, and why two capable people have to take turns
- Why ghosting is worse than a straight "I don't think we're a match"
Mentioned in this episode:
- Nights of Hunger: A Cocktail of Grief, Dreams, and Dating for Old-Ass Women by Pamela Katims Steele
- Part one with Pamela, on grief and learning to live again (previous episode)
- "No mud, no lotus," the Buddhist phrase Pamela quotes early in the book
- Sex and the City and Carrie Bradshaw
- The Friends episode where Ross dates a woman with a disaster of an apartment
- A Dan Fogelberg lyric about taking turns to navigate and steer
- Green Lake in Seattle
Connect with Dr. Pamela Steele:
- Navigate Grief: navigategrief.net
Connect with us:
- Instagram: @the.missing.peace.pod
- TikTok: @the.missing.peace8
- Email: themissingpeace26@gmail.com
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