Season 2 of The Imperfect Pastor opens with an honest and often humorous look at one of the most universal pastoral experiences: criticism. From absurd complaints (like cleaning behind the toilet or questionable potluck food) to surprisingly painful comments about attire or enthusiasm for Jesus, Chad and Nate share stories that every pastor can relate to—and laugh about—before turning to the deeper emotional reality behind them.

The episode takes a serious turn as we acknowledge that criticism hurts. Because of our calling and our visibility, pastors serve in a uniquely vulnerable position. Criticism can feel like a cheap shot—especially when it comes after a sermon or reflects a misunderstanding of our motives. Drawing from 2 Corinthians 1:8, we’re reminded that even the apostle Paul experienced seasons of despair and crushing pressure. Criticism is not a sign of failure; it is part of ministry.

Listeners are encouraged to return again and again to their calling and purpose. As Aristotle famously said, “To avoid criticism, say nothing, do nothing, be nothing.” We explore how misunderstood motives can cut deeply, reflecting on Martin Luther King Jr.’s resolve to remain rooted in Jesus and refuse bitterness even in the face of injustice and personal attack. Bitterness, if left unchecked, can undermine leadership and eclipse the fruit of the Spirit.

The episode offers practical wisdom for responding well: not every criticism deserves a response, and discernment is key. Scripture reminds us not to engage in foolish arguments (2 Timothy 2:23). Sometimes the most faithful response is to acknowledge, thank, and move on—without placating, enabling manipulation, or letting others control us through disappointment.

Finally, we reframe criticism through a redemptive lens. Sometimes criticism is valid and God uses it to refine us. Other times it is unfounded and reveals more about the critic than the pastor. In every case, how we respond matters. Kindness, humility, and integrity disarm hostility and reflect Christ’s character. We close by grounding criticism, suffering, and even persecution in our union with Christ—sharing not only in His sufferings, but also in His comfort and resurrection power (Philippians 3:10; 1 Peter 4:16; 2 Corinthians 1:5).

Jesus Himself was secure in His identity and refused to be defined by either praise or criticism. That same security in Christ keeps criticism from becoming a crisis for us. The episode concludes by setting the stage for the next conversation: How do we maintain our mental health in the midst of ministry pressure and criticism?

In Episode 6 of The Imperfect Pastor, we dive into one of the most vital—and challenging—questions in ministry: How do we equip disciples? We open with some humor about the two extremes pastors often fall into—trying to control everything (“I love being responsible for everything at all times!”) versus doing nothing and hoping someone else steps up. Both lead to burnout or stagnation. So, what’s the better way?

We explore a more apostolic model of ministry—one rooted in how the apostles supported and built up leaders in the early church. Looking at Ephesians 4, we unpack Paul’s vision for the church as a body equipped through diverse spiritual gifts. Every pastor, like every believer, is uniquely gifted. When we lean into our gifts and operate within our God-given parameters, ministry becomes collaborative instead of pastor-dependent.

A major theme of the episode is helping others discover and live out their calling. We discuss the importance of knowing your people well enough to say, “I see in you…”—calling out their gifts, passions, and potential. True equipping means empowering and entrusting responsibility, not fearing delegation or failure.

We take a closer look at how Jesus modeled this with His disciples: teaching through example, sending them out two by two, and supporting them along the way. Nate and Chad talk about practical ways pastors can move from being “players” to “coaches,” developing leaders who can train others, ensuring long-term stability rather than short-term fixes.

Practical steps include:

• Start with prayer

• Identify and invest in key leaders

• Take people with you as you do ministry—so they can learn by experience

• Embrace “strategic disappointment” (letting others try and sometimes fail) for the sake of growth

The goal? A church that thrives without being pastor-dependent—one where disciples are equipped, empowered, and actively multiplying the ministry of Jesus.

In Episode 5 of The Imperfect Pastor, we build on last week’s conversation about revitalizing our calling by diving into one of the core responsibilities of pastoral ministry: making disciples. Before we can develop leaders who help lead the church in its mission, we must first grapple with the question, “What is our true priority as pastors?”

With some humor along the way, we explore the idea that pastors must be disciples first, before they can effectively disciple others. Drawing from Matthew 4:19 and Luke 6:40, we unpack what it really means to follow Jesus—letting Him transform us before we try to “fish for men.” Using Jim Putman’s “Head, Heart, Hands” framework, we highlight Christlikeness—not just being “right”—as the standard for true discipleship, where spiritual fruit and spiritual gifts go hand-in-hand.

We contrast church membership and attendance with authentic discipleship, addressing how cultural Christianity, tradition, and consumerism can undermine a disciple-making culture. As Nate humorously notes, “In some churches, Satan would qualify as a member” because the standard has been reduced to mere belief.

This episode also gets practical. We discuss how churches can create pathways for discipleship by modeling it, investing in teachable people, and providing opportunities for growth through worship, service, and spiritual engagement. We tackle the challenge of fitting discipleship into an already crowded pastoral schedule, emphasizing the importance of discipling and supporting leaders who, in turn, disciple others. Chad shares his own approach to discipling his leaders, showing that it’s possible to shift a church’s culture toward true disciple-making without burning out.

In this episode of The Imperfect Pastor, we get real about those mornings when you’re just not feeling it—when the weight of ministry makes church meetings feel like a chore and passion starts to fade. How do we move beyond maintenance mode and rediscover the joy of our calling?

We start by reframing our mindset: ministry isn’t a burden—it’s an incredible honor. But to sustain that passion, we have to go back to our why. Why were we called? Why are we in this church, in this season? Looking at Luke 4, we examine how Jesus launched His ministry with clarity and purpose, revealing His identity through Isaiah 61.

A key takeaway: ministry thrives on authenticity. Too often, we try to be someone we’re not, modeling ourselves after mentors or ministry idols instead of embracing who God uniquely created us to be. We explore the tension between adapting to cultural contexts and staying true to our God-given identity, resisting the pull of people’s opinions—whether criticism or praise.

This episode also offers practical steps for realigning with our calling, including:

• Separating calling from identity
• Creating margin for reflection and assessment
• Courageously taking inventory of strengths and weaknesses
• Establishing clear parameters for ministry and communicating them with leadership

Next time, we’ll explore the importance of getting help in ministry and building a sustainable support system.

In this episode of The Imperfect Pastor, we tackle a crucial reality check: this isn’t our church—Jesus is the head of the church (Colossians 1:15-18). As pastors, we’re called to cooperate with His agenda, not our own, which often means embracing necessary culture shifts to align with His mission rather than clinging to tradition.

A key part of this is making space for the Holy Spirit to lead. Too often, we rush decisions, trying to force change on our timeline instead of waiting on God’s. But true transformation happens when we facilitate room for the Spirit to work and guide our people toward God's agenda.

We also address one of the biggest distractions in ministry—criticism. How much time did Jesus spend quieting His critics? Not much. He stayed focused on His mission. We discuss practical ways to handle complainers: have the conversation once, don’t dwell on it, and move on. Instead of getting bogged down in people-pleasing or reading every comment, invest your time in those who are open to spiritual growth.

Shifting church culture isn’t easy, but remembering whose church it is keeps us grounded. If we let Jesus lead, we can navigate these challenges with clarity, patience, and trust in His perfect timing.

Frustration is a reality for every pastor, but where does it come from, and how can we navigate it in a way that honors God and sustains our calling? In this episode, we unpack the common sources of pastoral frustration—ranging from ideological conflicts and petty battles to control struggles and the tension between church culture and mission. We discuss the challenge of leading a church that sometimes operates more like a social club than the body of Christ and explore how church history, traditions, and personal preferences can create obstacles to Kingdom growth.

Beyond external frustrations, we dive into the weight of expectations—those from the local church, denominational overseers, family, and even ourselves. Many pastors feel the pressure to be everything to everyone, yet the truth is, we were never meant to wear every hat. Without clear boundaries, others will make them for us.

So how do we overcome frustration? We explore the power of setting healthy boundaries, redefining expectations, and finding a trusted mentor to process the highs and lows of ministry. By leaning into wisdom, seeking guidance, and staying grounded in our calling, we can move from frustration to a place of clarity, endurance, and renewed purpose.

In this introductory episode, we delve into who we are and the heartfelt reasons behind creating The Imperfect Pastor podcast. This series is born from a deep awareness that pastoral work, though rooted in divine calling, is fraught with human imperfection and challenges. We acknowledge the truth: pastors are not immune to struggles but are constantly growing through them.

In this first episode, we discuss the realities of ministry, highlighting common experiences pastors face, such as loneliness, stress, burnout, and impostor syndrome. We tackle the self-doubt that manifests as internal questions like, "Am I good enough?" or "Can I truly do this well?" and explore how these doubts can lead to incongruence—acting one way while feeling another—and a lack of authenticity in ministry. But, even amidst these difficulties, there is hope.

In this episode you will learn that you are not alone on this journey. Together, we will learn to lead authentically, lean into growth, and embrace the beautiful, imperfect journey of pastoring.