In Episode 6 of The Imperfect Pastor, we dive into one of the most vital—and challenging—questions in ministry: How do we equip disciples? We open with some humor about the two extremes pastors often fall into—trying to control everything (“I love being responsible for everything at all times!”) versus doing nothing and hoping someone else steps up. Both lead to burnout or stagnation. So, what’s the better way?

We explore a more apostolic model of ministry—one rooted in how the apostles supported and built up leaders in the early church. Looking at Ephesians 4, we unpack Paul’s vision for the church as a body equipped through diverse spiritual gifts. Every pastor, like every believer, is uniquely gifted. When we lean into our gifts and operate within our God-given parameters, ministry becomes collaborative instead of pastor-dependent.

A major theme of the episode is helping others discover and live out their calling. We discuss the importance of knowing your people well enough to say, “I see in you…”—calling out their gifts, passions, and potential. True equipping means empowering and entrusting responsibility, not fearing delegation or failure.

We take a closer look at how Jesus modeled this with His disciples: teaching through example, sending them out two by two, and supporting them along the way. Nate and Chad talk about practical ways pastors can move from being “players” to “coaches,” developing leaders who can train others, ensuring long-term stability rather than short-term fixes.

Practical steps include:

• Start with prayer

• Identify and invest in key leaders

• Take people with you as you do ministry—so they can learn by experience

• Embrace “strategic disappointment” (letting others try and sometimes fail) for the sake of growth

The goal? A church that thrives without being pastor-dependent—one where disciples are equipped, empowered, and actively multiplying the ministry of Jesus.