E921: Edward sits down with David Fano, Head of Growth at Teal and former WeWork executive, to break down how Teal built one of the largest SEO engines in the job search space.

Teal now ranks for more than 893,000 keywords and gets over one million organic clicks per month from Google. In this conversation, David explains exactly how that happened, what broke along the way, and how AI agents, SERP analysis, and internal linking now drive their growth.

This is not theory. This is what it looks like to run SEO at real scale inside a fast-growing SaaS company.

What you'll learn:
- How Teal built an SEO system that ranks for nearly 900,000 keywords
- Why long-tail SEO worked, and why it eventually created new problems
- How launching millions of job pages hurt their resume rankings
- What topical authority really means in practice
- How Google decides whether two keywords are actually different
- Why "resume builder" and "AI resume builder" behave differently in search
- How SERP analysis tells you more than SEO tools ever will
- How Claude is being used to crawl, analyze, and compare search results
- How to automate SEO research with headless browsers and AI agents
- How internal linking can either amplify or dilute ranking power
- Why pillar pages matter more than most people realize
- How Teal uses vectorized content to guide linking and content creation
- How AI is being used to update, audit, and refresh content at scale
- Why some pages must convert and some pages must rank
- What happens when CRO and SEO fight each other
- How Canva dominates resume and template search results
- Why some keywords should live on one page instead of two
- How exact-match domains and entity SEO still influence rankings
- How Teal got early traffic by ranking for "ChatGPT resume" before anyone else
- What Google's shift toward topical authority means for large sites
- How to recover when a new section of your site damages your main revenue pages

Topics covered:
- SEO for SaaS
- Programmatic SEO
- AI agents and browser automation
- SERP analysis
- Topical authority
- Resume builder and job board SEO
- Internal linking strategy
- Pillar pages
- Schema and indexing
- Google Search Console
- Content decay and freshness
- Entity SEO
- Link building and digital PR

Watch if you care about:
- Growing organic traffic at scale
- Using AI to do real SEO work, not content spam
- Building sites that Google actually trusts
- Turning search traffic into revenue
- Understanding how Google evaluates topics, not just pages

Subscribe for daily deep dives on SEO, growth, and how modern companies actually get traffic from Google and AI search.

⭐️ David Fano on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidfano/
⭐️ David Fano on 𝕏 - https://x.com/davidfano
⭐️ Teal's main page for anyone looking to improve their resume and land a job - https://www.tealhq.com/tools/resume-builder

💎 Compact Keywords - My SEO Course - Get paying customers through SEO - Clear step-by-step video breakdowns - SEO templates to be copied and adapted for your products and services: https://compactkeywords.com/

00:00 Introduction and Guest Background
00:57 Journey into SEO and Early Career
02:27 WeWork Experience and Growth Strategies
04:47 SEO Challenges and Strategies at WeWork
06:19 Current Role and SEO at Teal
16:11 SEO Automation and Tools
35:53 Analyzing Organic Search Results
36:16 Building SEO Automation Tools
37:27 Challenges with Keyword Management
39:21 Vectorizing Content for Better SEO
40:48 Internal Linking Strategies
44:18 Impact of Job Pages on SEO
57:43 Link Building Strategies
01:10:44 A Challenging Day and Video Posting Struggles
01:11:23 Automation Tools and Social Media Posting
01:12:07 Manual Posting Success Stories
01:13:31 LinkedIn Posting Strategies
01:18:23 The Importance of Effort in Social Media
01:22:22 SEO Insights and Strategies
01:23:31 Building and Managing a Team
01:23:50 Final Thoughts and Advice

The Edward Show. Your daily search engine optimization podcast: https://edwardsturm.com/the-edward-show/

#searchengineoptimization #programmaticseo #growthmarketing #seo

E920: I break down one of the most unusual and important SEO stories of the decade: how Grokipedia, an AI-generated encyclopedia connected to Elon Musk's Grok, went from almost zero Google traffic to millions of clicks in just weeks - and why that could force Google into a decision that changes the future of AI content in search.

Grokipedia isn't just another AI site. It is structured like Wikipedia, fully interlinked, heavily indexed, and now ranking for millions of keywords. But unlike Wikipedia, its articles are generated and fact-checked by AI, with only optional human edit suggestions. That creates a serious problem: how does Google handle a massive AI-generated reference site that now competes directly with Wikipedia?

This walks through what Grokipedia is, how it grew so fast, how its SEO strategy works, and why its existence puts Google in an almost impossible position.

What this covers:
- What Elon Musk said about Wikipedia and Grokipedia
- How Grokipedia went from 19 Google clicks per month to 3.2 million
- How Grokipedia uses interlinking, server-side rendering, and SEO structure
- Why AI-generated encyclopedias can be manipulated through search results
- How press releases and indexed claims can be used to influence AI "fact checking"
- What Google's quality guidelines say about AI-generated content
- Why other AI sites have already been heavily deranked
- The precedent this could set for AI content across the entire web
- Why Google's response could trigger a public controversy
- What solutions might exist, and why none of them are easy

The core question:

Is an AI-generated encyclopedia with hallucinations more dangerous than a human-edited encyclopedia with ideological bias?

And if both have flaws, which one should Google promote in search?

This episode explains why Google cannot avoid making a decision - and why whatever they do will shape how AI content is treated in search for years to come.

⭐️ Grokipedia - https://grokipedia.com/

⭐️ Wikipedia - https://www.wikipedia.org/

⭐️ Google quality raters now assess whether content is AI-generated - https://searchengineland.com/google-quality-raters-content-ai-generated-454161

💎 Compact Keywords - My SEO Course - Get paying customers through SEO - Clear step-by-step video breakdowns - SEO templates to be copied and adapted for your products and services: https://compactkeywords.com/

00:00 Introduction and Disclaimer
00:40 Wikipedia vs. Grokipedia: The Controversy
02:48 SEO Manipulation and Potential Issues
04:04 Grokipedia's SEO Success
05:15 Google's Stance on AI Content
06:58 Possible Outcomes and Solutions
09:17 Get Customers With SEO
11:53 Conclusion and Sign-Off

The Edward Show. Your daily search engine optimization podcast: https://edwardsturm.com/the-edward-show/

#searchengineoptimization #grokipedia #aiseo #digitalmarketing

919: Charles Floate joins the show to reveal what link building looks like inside restricted and gray market verticals like iGaming, crypto, and prediction markets.

This is not a surface-level SEO conversation. It's a practical breakdown of how rankings are achieved, defended, and lost in some of the most competitive and hostile SERPs on the internet.

The discussion covers why ranking is often the easy part - and why maintaining rank has become the real challenge as negative SEO, DMCA abuse, and large-scale link manipulation continue to increase.

Topics covered include:
- How link building works in restricted verticals where traditional outreach fails
- Reverse engineering SERPs to understand what Google is rewarding right now
- Why many competitors rank using identical techniques - and why Google allows it
- Subdomain canonical strategies and aged domain leverage
- Scaling link building without massive outreach teams using AI systems
- The role of human validation and where automation becomes dangerous
- Why most large budgets in iGaming are wasted on low-value links
- How to identify real topical authority using link gap analysis
- Tiered link building and when it actually makes sense
- The difference between ranking and maintaining rankings in gray markets
- DMCA takedowns as a negative SEO weapon - and how widespread they've become
- Why some competitors disappear from Google overnight
- The resurgence of PBNs and why they're working again
- Link insertions, niche edits, and why Google hasn't stopped them
- Beginner-friendly link building tactics that still work
- Why statistics pages attract links passively from both humans and AI systems
- Common on-page and technical SEO mistakes in iGaming sites
- Intent mapping and why page type matters more than keywords
- How AI search results change the need for consensus across sources
- Link versioning and how authoritative pages replace existing sources
- The limits of white hat SEO in international and gray markets
- Cloaking tactics that still appear in the wild - and which ones are mostly gone

This episode is intended for experienced SEOs, agency owners, and operators working in highly competitive or restricted niches. If you work in regulated, gray, or high-risk verticals, this conversation reflects the realities you're already dealing with.

If you found this episode useful, consider subscribing for daily discussions on SEO, marketing systems, and real-world ranking strategies.

New episodes are published every day.

⭐️ Charles Floate on 𝕏 - https://x.com/Charles_SEO
⭐️ Charles Floate on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/charlesfloate/
⭐️ Charles Floate on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@CharlesFloate
⭐️ Charles Floate on Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/TheCharlesFloate/
⭐️ Charles Floate's PressWhizz - https://presswhizz.com/

💎 Compact Keywords - My SEO Course - Get paying customers through SEO - Clear step-by-step video breakdowns - SEO templates to be copied and adapted for your products and services: https://compactkeywords.com/

00:00 Introduction to SEO Attacks and Revenue Impact
00:32 Welcome and Introduction to Charles Floate
01:01 Reverse Engineering and Link Building in Competitive Niches
02:22 Techniques for Ranking in Gray Market Niches
06:15 Scaling Link Building with AI
10:43 Common Mistakes in Link Building and SEO
16:54 Advanced Techniques and Best Practices
23:23 Intent Mapping in SEO
25:14 Challenges in iGaming SEO
25:30 DMCA Takedowns and Negative SEO
28:58 AI and Negative SEO
32:13 Black Hat Link Building Tactics
41:53 Link Building in Restricted Verticals
43:54 Conclusion and Future Episodes

The Edward Show. Your daily search engine optimization podcast: https://edwardsturm.com/the-edward-show/

#blackhatseo #linkbuilding #searchengineoptimization #competitiveseo

E918: David Quaid returns to the show to break down one of the most misunderstood topics in SEO: XML sitemaps.

Every day, people are told that if their pages are "crawled but not indexed," the fix is simple - submit a sitemap. This episode explains why that advice is usually wrong, what XML sitemaps actually do, and why authority is the real factor behind indexing and rankings.

This conversation reframes SEO as a system, not a checklist. Instead of treating Google like it follows instructions, we look at how crawling, indexing, PageRank decay, and authority actually work in practice.

Topics covered:
- What XML sitemaps do and what they don't do
- Why "crawled but not indexed" is almost never a sitemap issue
- How Google crawlers really work (and why they aren't "spiders")
- The difference between crawling, indexing, and ranking
- Why pages without authority don't get indexed
- How internal links actually transfer authority
- PageRank decay and why most links don't matter
- Why manual URL submission is usually the wrong approach
- Client-side rendering, JavaScript, and how Googlebot handles them
- Why content quality is not the reason most pages aren't indexed
- How large sites (Amazon, eBay, news sites) still have low index rates
- Why backlinks only matter if the linking page has traffic
- Common mistakes SEOs make with sitemaps, crawl optimization, and indexing tools
- When HTML sitemaps make more sense than XML sitemaps
- How authority shapes indexing for programmatic SEO and large sites

Who this episode is for:
- SEOs struggling with pages that won't get indexed
- Founders and developers working on small or mid-sized sites
- Anyone relying on XML sitemaps as an indexing strategy
- People who want to understand how Google actually evaluates pages

Key takeaway:

If Google can crawl your page but won't index it, the problem is not technical. It's authority. XML sitemaps don't create authority, don't force indexing, and don't fix underlying SEO issues.

SEO works as a system. If you try to treat it like a checklist, it will break.

⭐️ David Quaid on 𝕏 - https://x.com/DavidGQuaid
⭐️ David Quaid on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidquaid/
⭐️ David Quaid's agency - https://primaryposition.com/

💎 Compact Keywords - My SEO Course - Get paying customers through SEO - Clear step-by-step video breakdowns - SEO templates to be copied and adapted for your products and services: https://compactkeywords.com/

00:00 Introduction to Sitemaps and SEO
00:35 Debunking Common Sitemap Myths
01:23 Understanding Google Crawlers
03:02 Client-Side vs Server-Side Rendering
03:26 Authority and Relevance in SEO
03:36 Challenges with JavaScript and SEO
05:01 The Role of Authority in Indexing
10:50 Practical Tips for Improving Indexing
12:56 The Importance of Context in Links
15:14 Managing Sitemaps for Small Sites
16:04 Handling Noindex Pages
16:53 Crawling and Indexing Challenges
17:24 Manual Submit Requests and Google Bots
19:55 The Role of Sitemaps
21:23 Backlinks and Authority
23:40 Programmatic SEO Insights
23:52 Common Mistakes in Programmatic SEO
24:04 SEO for Large Websites
25:44 SEO Strategies for New Sites
30:42 SEO Fun and Future Topics
31:04 Conclusion and Next Episode Teaser

The Edward Show. Your daily search engine optimization podcast: https://edwardsturm.com/the-edward-show/

#searchengineoptimization #xmlsitemap #googlesearchconsole #webdevelopment

E916: I break down one of the most extreme search visibility collapses I've ever seen.

Cointelegraph - one of the largest and most established crypto news sites in the world - went from over 4 million monthly Google clicks to roughly 75,000 in a matter of weeks. Even branded searches stopped returning their website.

This episode explains what actually happened, why this was not a crypto-wide issue, and what publishers should learn from it.

What we cover in this episode:
- The exact timeline of Cointelegraph's traffic collapse
- Why this was likely more than an algorithmic update
- How Google's site reputation abuse policy played a central role
- The quiet launch of casino, betting, and iGaming directories
- Why low-quality third-party content is especially risky for trusted brands
- Signs that this was a manual penalty, not normal volatility
- Why Cointelegraph disappeared even for branded searches
- How similar situations have affected major publishers in the past
- What this means for crypto media, news sites, and content publishers
- How revenue diversification can backfire when it's misaligned with editorial focus

Key takeaway:

This was not Google "shadow banning crypto."
This was a case study in what happens when a trusted publisher extends its authority into unrelated, high-risk commercial content - especially when third parties are involved.

Even the biggest brands are vulnerable when transparency, alignment, and editorial integrity break down.

This episode also explains:
- Why some penalties are recoverable and others are not
- How publishers can diversify revenue without risking search visibility
- Why building in-house products is safer than affiliate-heavy strategies
- The role transparency plays in long-term trust and E-E-A-T

If you're a publisher, SEO, founder, or operator who depends on organic search traffic, this episode is required listening.

⭐️ Pere Monguió Montells's deep dive - https://www.linkedin.com/posts/pere-monguio_a-deep-dive-into-cointelegraphs-google-ban-activity-7393924228103938049--XEf/

⭐️ Cointelegraph Traffic Drop and iGaming Section Removal Suggest a Possible Manual Google Penalty - https://theholycoins.com/news/cointelegraph-traffic-drop-and-igaming-section-removal-suggest-a-possible-manual-google-penalty

⭐️ Google hit Forbes Advisor with a manual action over the site reputation abuse policy - https://www.reddit.com/r/SEO/comments/1ft47sn/google_hit_forbes_advisor_with_a_manual_action/

💎 Compact Keywords - My SEO Course - Get paying customers through SEO - Clear step-by-step video breakdowns - SEO templates to be copied and adapted for your products and services: https://compactkeywords.com/

00:00 Introduction: Cointelegraph's Google Ban
00:18 Cointelegraph's Traffic Plunge
01:22 Google's Site Reputation Abuse Policy
02:17 Investigating the Ban: June to September
04:20 October: The Collapse and Aftermath
10:39 Lessons and Takeaways for Publishers
14:50 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

The Edward Show. Your daily search engine optimization podcast: https://edwardsturm.com/the-edward-show/

#searchengineoptimization #sitereputationabuse #googlepenality #DigitalPublishing

E915: We break down EEAT (Experience, Expertise, Authoritativeness, and Trustworthiness) and how Google evaluates website quality - straight from Google's own documentation, quality rater guidelines, and real-world SEO experience.

Joining me is Shaun Anderson, one of the most respected SEO professionals in the industry with over 20 years of experience. This is a fast-paced, no-nonsense discussion designed to clarify what EEAT is, what it is not, and how it affects real websites.

This episode focuses on how Google determines trust, why some sites are labeled low quality, and why EEAT matters even if it's not a direct ranking factor.

What we cover in this episode
- What EEAT actually means in Google Search
- Whether EEAT is a ranking factor (and why that question misses the point)
- How Google evaluates trust and site quality
- The difference between EEAT and PageRank
- Why reputation matters more offsite than onsite
- How Google treats YMYL (Your Money or Your Life) topics
- Which types of content require higher trust standards
- What happens when a site is marked "low quality"
- Why EEAT cannot be faked
- How transparency, credibility, and disclosures impact site quality
- The role of terms of use, contact pages, and business information
- How the Google API leak aligns with the Quality Rater Guidelines
- Why trust is the most important quality framework to understand

Key takeaways

- EEAT is not a single signal or score
- Trust is the core outcome Google is trying to measure
- Some EEAT signals come from offsite reputation, not self-published claims
- Onsite trust elements still matter and can impact the entire site
- Poor transparency can lower the perceived quality of every page
- EEAT affects rankings, conversions, and long-term site credibility

This episode is useful for:
- Website owners
- SEO professionals
- Content creators
- Anyone publishing advice, commercial content, or informational content online

Even if your site is not in a high-risk YMYL category, these principles still matter for users, conversions, and long-term growth.

⭐️ Shaun Anderson at Hobo SEO blog - https://www.hobo-web.co.uk/shaun-anderson/
⭐️ Shaun Anderson on 𝕏 - https://x.com/hobo_web
⭐️ Shaun Anderson on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@Hobo_Web
⭐️ Shaun Anderson on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/shaun-anderson-hobo/
⭐️ Shaun Anderson's free EEAT tool - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bJnecq2vxJ_uqQVRvSbV50fw5ynIohqSnpqGZNimTKs/edit?gid=0#gid=0

💎 Compact Keywords - My SEO Course - Get paying customers through SEO - Clear step-by-step video breakdowns - SEO templates to be copied and adapted for your products and services: https://compactkeywords.com/

00:00 Introduction to EEAT in SEO
00:14 Guest Introduction: Shaun Anderson
00:47 Understanding EEAT: Key Concepts
01:27 Google API Leak and Its Implications
01:55 Importance of EEAT for Different Websites
04:17 YMYL Topics and Trustworthiness
06:59 Examples of EEAT in Practice
08:09 PageRank vs. EEAT
11:38 Maximizing Trust and Credibility
13:01 Fake vs. Real EEAT
20:36 Thoughts and Future Episodes
24:11 Final Remarks and Episode Wrap-Up

The Edward Show. Your daily search engine optimization podcast: https://edwardsturm.com/the-edward-show/

#searchengineoptimization #eeatseo #seotips #googleapileak

E914: Cody See joins the show.

We break down why simple, fundamentals-driven SEO consistently outperforms complicated, "advanced" tactics - and why that's been true for over a decade.

We talk through real-world experience running affiliate sites, agencies, and client campaigns, and explain why most SEO failures come from overengineering, ego, or chasing shortcuts instead of focusing on what actually converts.

This is a practical, honest conversation about how SEO works today.

Topics covered:
- Why "easy SEO" isn't lazy SEO - and why it works
- The difference between ranking for ego vs ranking for revenue
- How picking the right keywords matters more than advanced tactics
- Bottom-of-funnel keywords vs high-volume vanity keywords
- Why link building isn't always necessary to rank
- White hat SEO vs risky shortcuts and why shortcuts usually fail
- How SEO results are often faster today than they were years ago
- What changed about Google's "sandbox" (and why it barely exists now)
- Real examples of backlinks that actually moved rankings
- Why referral traffic matters more than links alone
- How simple SEO scales better for agencies and niche businesses
- Why most people overestimate the value of technical complexity

We also discuss:
- How AI-generated content is eroding traditional trust signals
- Why authority is shifting back to reputation and real relationships
- How outreach, PR, and networking have changed post-AI
- Why being direct and human now beats polished outreach
- How automation can support SEO without replacing judgment

CMS & platform discussion:
- Wix Studio vs WordPress from an SEO perspective
- What Wix has improved - and where it still falls short
- SEO features that matter and ones that don't
- Why starting with clean fundamentals saves problems later

This episode is for:
- SEOs who are tired of overcomplicated advice
- Agency owners who want repeatable results
- Builders starting new sites who want clarity instead of noise
- Anyone who wants SEO to support a real business, not just rankings

⭐️ Cody See on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/iamcodysee/
⭐️ The Agency Growth Podcast - https://www.agencygrowthpod.com
⭐️ The Agency After Hours Discord - https://discord.com/invite/uvHRRRFVRD
⭐️ Cody's podcast interview with Wix Studio - https://www.agencygrowthpod.com/episodes/wix-wants-agencies-were-listening-ft-kobi-gamliel-w-wix-studio-112

💎 Compact Keywords - My SEO Course - Get paying customers through SEO - Clear step-by-step video breakdowns - SEO templates to be copied and adapted for your products and services: https://compactkeywords.com/

00:00 Catching Up and Personal Updates
00:31 Launching a New Website on Wix
00:50 Discussing Wix's SEO Challenges
01:00 Cody's Podcast Interview with Wix's Head of Partnerships
03:39 SEO Strategies and Techniques
15:18 The Importance of Keyword Selection
19:11 Personal SEO Journey and Experiences
22:51 Building and Scaling an SEO Agency
24:54 Niche SEO Success Stories
27:35 Exploring PPC and Local Service Ads
36:40 The Future of AI in SEO and Networking
38:26 Challenges in Modern Communication
38:59 AI's Impact on Outreach
40:00 Trust Signals in Networking
41:27 Dealing with AI-Generated Messages
43:34 Effective Outreach Strategies
44:59 Understanding Your Audience
47:11 SEO and Website Platforms
48:10 Wix vs. WordPress: A Detailed Comparison
54:23 Automating SEO Tasks
58:24 Wix Studio's SEO Challenges
01:13:28 Final Thoughts and Contact Information

The Edward Show. Your daily search engine optimization podcast: https://edwardsturm.com/the-edward-show/

#searchengineoptimization #digitalmarketing #wixstudio #seo