Andy Clarke shares what excites him lately, sparking memories of his early photography career and frequent trips to Schaffhausen. His pivot from art school and darkroom work into technical sales, and lessons about good selling as an art of solving real problems. The discussion moves to creative storytelling on the web, focus and distraction habits, challenges with open-plan offices, and how he’s built a work life around late-night rhythms and self-managed attention. Clarke also reflects on family history, his father’s suicide and trauma, changing views on mental health and heredity, and a desire to do more consequential political or social work while relearning how to create for pleasure.

Topics:

• (00:00) - Introduction
• (01:17) - Rebuilding The Sinar Camera
• (08:28) - Pre Digital Car Shoots
• (14:28) - Sales Lessons That Stick
• (27:15) - Storytelling On The Web
• (37:10) - Writing Needs Silence
• (48:45) - Designing Your Rhythm with ADHD
• (01:08:01) - Turning 60 Reflections
• (01:12:36) - Mr Rogers Envy
• (01:17:49) - Providing vs Purpose
• (01:25:30) - Objects as Memory Anchors
• (01:40:43) - Music Picks and Billy Bragg
• (01:45:42) - Where to Follow

• Up (2009 film)
• Love Story (1970 film)
• Philadelphia (1993 film)
• Mister Rogers' Neighborhood
• Mister Rogers biography
• Billy Bragg
• Motörhead
• Meat Loaf
• Led Zeppelin
• Miranda Lambert
• Megan Moroney
• The Rolling Stones
• Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky
• Wilco
• Woody Guthrie
• Bat Out of Hell
• Between the Wars
• Power in a Union
• Unfinished Business
• stuffandnonsense.co.uk
• Sinar P2
• Schneider Super-Angulon
• IWC Schaffhausen
• Rolex
• Hermès
• Rickenbacker
• Gibson Les Paul
• iPod Classic
• Game Boy
• Tiffany & Co.
• Amazon
• David Hockney
• Jeremy Keith
• Preston North End F.C.

We’re finding renewed excitement for discovering music through going to gigs and reflecting on how live shows offer an irreplaceable shared experience. The discussion shifts to the indie web, hyperlink culture, and how social platforms and chatbots reduce discoverability, while AI could lower barriers to building websites but raises concerns about credit, control, hosting complexity, and accessibility.

Topics:

• (00:00) - What has you waking up excited?
• (01:03) - Music and Travel
• (07:16) - Owning Music Again
• (10:59) - Re-discovering the Indie Web
• (15:19) - AI for Personal Websites
• (23:47) - Accessible Defaults and Standards
• (39:02) - Web Trends Come Full Circle
• (43:02) - Smaller Models Better Choices
• (53:38) - Accessibility Positivity vs Policing
• (01:10:10) - Assistive Tech vs Novelty Use
• (01:12:42) - Music Picks

Brad chats with Miriam Suzanne about pottery, theater, CSS, and why we shouldn’t just accept AI as the way. Miriam describes their through-line as collaborative creativity across pottery, theater, client work, and CSS standards, arguing process shapes results and that CSS is inherently collaborative with users, browsers, and devices. She critiques rigid notions of originality and authenticity, emphasizing growth and multiplicity. Miriam rejects “results over process” arguments, challenges claims of democratization amid surveillance, environmental costs, and corporate control, and calls for collective agency to imagine and build better tools and systems.

Topics:

• (00:00) - Waking Up Excited
• (02:26) - Returning to Pottery
• (04:51) - Theater as Hybrid Art
• (07:00) - Inviting the Audience In
• (11:14) - Questioning Authenticity
• (17:20) - Theater in Prisons
• (28:36) - Facilitating Collaboration Everywhere
• (38:06) - Why CSS Feels Fuzzy
• (53:01) - AI for Early Prototypes
• (01:01:05) - Fix Orgs Not Tools
• (01:08:10) - Using AI Without Hype
• (01:17:40) - Uneasy Benefits Tradeoff
• (01:26:10) - AI's Original Sin And Accountability
• (01:36:28) - Vision And Agency
• (01:45:22) - Music Recommendation
• (01:48:09) - Where To Follow And CSS Courses

• oddbird.net
• grapefruitlab.com
• miriamsuzanne.com
• courses.oddbird.net
• Balsamiq
• Harvest
• Claude
• ChatGPT
• Discord
• The Rolling Stones
• Velvet Underground
• Lou Reed
• Parliament-Funkadelic (P-Funk)
• Maggot Brain by Funkadelic
• Teacup Gorilla
• Emily Rogers
• "Franchise" by Isaac Asimov
• Walt Whitman
• John Allsopp — "Dao of Web Design"
• Busch Gardens
• Riverdance
• "12 Angry Men"
• Timnit Gebru
• Emily Bender

Scott Jenson joins Brad to chat about how UX designers thrive in ambiguity and why wrestling with confusing, failing experiments, especially around AI, can signal real progress. The conversation covers open source’s multiplier effect, the need for sustainable funding, and Scott’s work with Mastodon. Jenson also describes practical AI value for prototyping and coding, while emphasizing nuance, trust, and asking questions over online pile-ons.

Topics:

• (00:00) - Why Ambiguity Excites
• (06:33) - Designers and the Messy Unknown
• (10:45) - Tech vs Capitalism
• (14:23) - Compromise and Stability
• (18:29) - Fixing Social Media Conversations
• (28:50) - Persistence and Craft Over Time
• (36:29) - Open Source as a Model
• (39:48) - Mastodon and Lowering Costs
• (46:54) - Consulting and Client Trust
• (52:38) - Designers vs Programmers
• (01:08:02) - Open Web vs AI Incentives
• (01:15:51) - Music Picks
• (01:19:22) - Where to Find Scott Jenson

Paul and Brad discuss how AI has reintroduced “Wild West” chaos to the web, which Paul finds energizing after years of predictable maturity in the industry. Drawing parallels to past disruptions like desktop publishing, CSS/web standards, and the dot-com bust, Paul argues that panic about AI replacing specialists will settle as organizations realize quality still matters. They emphasize learning through sharing, rejecting performative content marketing, and valuing humility over guru certainty. The conversation explores consulting as amplifying in-house teams’ knowledge, the need to adapt rigid UX processes, and how AI can help democratize UX by empowering non-specialists through playbooks, design systems, and easier access to research. Paul shares how he intentionally built a lifestyle business enabling RV travel, and closes on resilience, change, and optimism.

Topics:

• (00:00) - Hello Chaos
• (04:10) - Tech Cycles And Jobs
• (07:27) - Letting Go To Grow
• (11:01) - Learning By Sharing
• (25:07) - Process Myths In UX
• (35:42) - Democratizing UX With AI
• (43:47) - AI As Meeting Facilitator
• (59:19) - Kill Handoff With AI
• (01:04:40) - Is Paul Retiring?
• (01:13:46) - Business Serves Life
• (01:33:16) - What Music Does Paul Want You to Know About?

Nathan Curtis discusses how his work has shifted over the past two years from leading design system teams to focusing on strict architecture and building tools that communicate design intent to engineering, energized by faster iteration enabled by AI. He reflects on his long history in design systems, including his 2009 book “Modular Web Design”. Curtis addresses why teams may feel threatened by AI amid layoffs and rapid tool adoption, arguing that system thinking, governance, and coordination remain essential even as non-deterministic workflows grow. He explains building an evolved Specs tool that extracts structured data from Figma via plugin and CLI for repeatable, cross-platform specifications, while cautioning against using agents where deterministic processes are more precise. They explore flexibility vs lockdown culture, Figma’s role as a typed database, ecosystem interoperability, and advice on writing, consulting, and choosing work that sustains energy.

Links:

• Modular Web Design: Creating Reusable Components for User Experience Design and Documentation [Book]
• Directed Edges / Nathan Curtis
• Wake Up Excited! | Ben Callahan on Building Community, Your Values, and the Power of Connection
• Center Centre
• FROSTAPALOOZA
• Max Richter - On the Nature of Daylight - YouTube
• Mellon Collie And The Infinite Sadness (Remastered 2012) - YouTube
• Specs
• DirectedEdges/specs: Schema, types, and command line tools to record and manage UI component specifications.
• nathanacurtis on GitHub

Topics:

• (00:00) - Introduction
• (04:56) - Motion Meets AI
• (07:06) - Threats and Layoffs
• (14:44) - Flexibility vs Governance
• (20:21) - Determinism vs Prediction
• (25:21) - Agentic UX Ergonomics
• (35:46) - Building the Specs Toolchain
• (49:52) - Sharing Versus Capitalism
• (56:05) - Finding Your Voice
• (01:00:23) - What's the Future Of Design Systems?
• (01:14:10) - Advice For New Consultants
• (01:23:23) - Breadth Versus Depth
• (01:27:26) - Wrap Up And Gratitude

Ridd feels like he’s having more fun than ever as a designer because he can now code and close the gap using Claude to build features with full control over pixels, animations, and interactions. Brad and Ridd discuss how AI shrinks learning barriers, helps translate vague intentions into technical language, and enables individuals to realize ideas with less reliance on others, while complicating collaboration and threatening specialized roles. They explore problem-finding, local/community applications, hybrid service-plus-software models, anxiety about oversupply and discoverability, and Ridd’s deliberate optimism and early-adopter mindset.

Links:
◉ Jitter · A fast and simple motion design tool on the web
◉ Dive Club 🤿
◉ Ridd 🤿 (@ridd_design) / X
◉ Emancipator
◉ Layup

Chapters:

• (00:00) - Introduction
• (01:38) - Coding Unlocks Control
• (13:16) - AI's Original Sin
• (26:48) - Oversupply And Taste
• (29:36) - Rebuilding Local Culture
• (35:37) - Software As A Gift
• (42:41) - Designers As Problem Finders
• (51:46) - Design Identity Shift
• (01:01:53) - Teaching The First Step
• (01:10:36) - Flattened Hierarchies Opportunity
• (01:15:18) - Optimism As Strategy
• (01:21:44) - Music Picks And Playlists

Afyia Smith talks about her separation from Epic Games and choosing optimism by exploring the city and visiting new coffee shops, even amid anxiety and uncertainty. Afyia explains her work as a design systems documentation specialist, arguing that documentation is becoming foundational, especially with AI and agentic workflows, because it captures rationale, behaviors, edge cases, and shared truth across teams.

Topics:

• (00:00) - Meet Afyia Smith
• (00:55) - Coffee Shop Reset
• (01:56) - Epic Departure Fallout
• (03:39) - Choosing Optimism Daily
• (07:27) - Docs Finally Matter
• (22:21) - Docs as Team Alignment
• (28:41) - Facilitating with Neutrality
• (33:24) - From Solo to Collaborative
• (36:02) - Docs First Humanity
• (46:58) - Career Reinvention Mindset
• (54:18) - Music Picks and Memories
• (01:00:55) - Where to Connect with Afyia Smith

◉ Michael Jackson — Bad

◉ Michael Jackson — Thriller

◉ Xscape — Who Can I Run To

◉ Lauryn Hill — The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill

◉ Michael Jackson biopic (Michael)

◉ afyiasmith.co

◉ LinkedIn — Afyia Smith

◉ ChatGPT

◉ Figma

◉ Storybook

◉ Jira

◉ Google Docs

◉ Epic Games

◉ Tower Records

◉ AI and Design Systems course