Berklee students want the school to cut it out with AI music courses, but it's looking bleak. The same venture capital interests that brought us the CEO of Suno saying no one enjoys making music, have a friend who is installed as Berklee's president. Per a recent Adam Neely video, both the student experience and the school's prestige are at risk.

In the second annual Upsample summer special together at Carson's house, we also bring up a related controversy at our own alma mater, go through our recs from the year to-date, and look at the upcoming Vancouver International Jazz Festival lineup.

(0:00) Intro

(2:23) We're talkin' Berklee

(4:48) Berklee AI course

(21:24) Suno/Spotify/Berklee ties

(40:24) CapU jazz AI poster conflict

(44:28) Ableton Extensions SDK

(48:52) Recommendations review

(53:52) 2026 jazzfest

FIND US:

Will

-YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@williamchernoff/

-Rhythm Changes: https://www.rhythmchanges.ca/

-Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/williamchernoff/

Carson

-YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ctworow/

-Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/ctworow.bsky.social/

-Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ctworow/

Hosted by Carson Tworow & Will Chernoff. Edited and mixed by Will Chernoff. A Chernoff Music podcast. Theme music by Carson Tworow.

The future of getting paid for our songs rests on blockchain vs. bureaucracy, as Will reports back on Australian musician Jo Loewenthal's 19-part "deep forensic investigation" of global publishing. We also touch on the launch of Subvert after opening with a dismissal of the year's biggest Upsample-core story.

(0:00) We're skipping Pysop Geese-gate

(2:35) Subvert launched

(8:55) The joloew publishing investigation

(32:17) Joel Gouveia covers the same story

(39:16) Blockchain?

(53:08) Recommendations

Recs:

• Will - watch Living for the City hosted by Hanif Abdurraqib, keeping in mind that Live Nation is producing it
• Carson - listen to My New Band Believe

FIND US:

Will

-YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@williamchernoff/

-Rhythm Changes: https://www.rhythmchanges.ca/

-Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/williamchernoff/

Carson

-YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ctworow/

-Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/ctworow.bsky.social/

-Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ctworow/

Hosted by Carson Tworow & Will Chernoff. Edited and mixed by Will Chernoff. A Chernoff Music podcast. Theme music by Carson Tworow.

Evan Dungate of Gigpit joins us!

Gigpit, headquartered in Victoria and also running in Vancouver, is a new local live music platform that offers concert listings and a ticketing service, currently with no fees. The company has five young co-founders: Evan, Aidan Polglase, Ellie Scott, Josh Taylor, and MacKenzie Joyal. Will and Carson get a feel for their work and take a detour in the middle to discuss the Live Nation / Ticketmaster U.S. DOJ case.

(0:00) Let's get our $200k!

(1:46) Evan's background

(7:21) The Gigpit team

(10:33) Ticketing & no-fee PWYC model

(20:21) Live Nation found liable by jury

(27:15) Ticketweb & stealth subsidiaries

(31:59) Handling the pressure to grow

(34:51) How to win a presenter?

(38:48) Writing & video sessions

(44:15) How to get involved with Gigpit

(49:18) The Shaggy story

(50:46) Recommendations with Evan

Recs:

• Evan - Standard Issue Pleasure Model - Tripsitter | Christopher Atkins - Another Year | Hedonist - Scapulimancy
• Will - check out Infinite Catalog’s breakdown of Spotify’s Loud & Clear PR stats
• Carson - Charlotte Cornfield - Hurts Like Hell

FIND US:

Will

-YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@williamchernoff/

-Rhythm Changes: https://www.rhythmchanges.ca/

-Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/williamchernoff/

Carson

-YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ctworow/

-Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/ctworow.bsky.social/

-Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ctworow/

Hosted by Carson Tworow & Will Chernoff. Edited and mixed by Will Chernoff. A Chernoff Music podcast. Theme music by Carson Tworow.