Grace changes more than our relationship with God—it changes the way we relate to everyone around us.

We sat down with Benjamin Crawshaw and Brittany Coulson to explore what grace actually looks like in everyday relationships. From receiving grace when we fail, to building deeper trust through vulnerability, to extending grace to the people who are hardest to love, we unpack how grace moves from a theological concept to a lived experience. We also talk about high-trust relationships, why being known is so risky, and how God often uses other people to help us experience His love in tangible ways. If you've ever struggled to let people see the real you, wondered how to find deeper community, or wrestled with extending grace to difficult people, this conversation is for you.

What We Learned

* Grace is not just a one-time gift at salvation—it is the environment in which we live the entire Christian life.

* Receiving grace often feels harder than giving grace because it requires surrendering control and self-righteousness.

* High-trust relationships are built through small acts of vulnerability that gradually establish trust.

* Many people avoid being fully known because they fear what others will think if they see their struggles and weaknesses.

* Being "first on the beach" means risking vulnerability before knowing how others will respond.

* Grace allows us to own our mistakes without letting them define our identity.

* Difficult people often act out of fear, wounds, and self-protection rather than malice.

* The more deeply we experience God's grace toward us, the easier it becomes to extend grace to others.

Resources Mentioned

The Cure by John Lynch, Bruce McNicol, & Bill Thrall

Dr. T.A. Powell - Beyond the Mask

Marcus Warner - Deeper Walk International

Unoffendable by Brant Hansen

Trueface Retreat 2026

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Robby shares a personal and ministry update as Trueface enters a major new season. We talk through family life with eight kids, preparing for his first sabbatical, the emotional and mental exhaustion that comes from leading through growth, and the deeper vision behind GROW — a new discipleship initiative designed to help churches create authentic transformation and relational discipleship at scale.

We also unpack the tension many churches feel around discipleship today: why “know more, do better” keeps people stuck, how grace reshapes spiritual growth, and why authentic community may become one of the church’s greatest opportunities in the years ahead. Along the way, Robby shares stories about the Trueface team, future projects, the upcoming Path album, and why this season feels both overwhelming and deeply hopeful.

What We Learned

• Discipleship is the process of growing in love of God and others.
• Most churches struggle to define effective discipleship and develop enough healthy leaders.
• “Know more, do better” creates striving, while “trust and receive” produces transformation.
• Authentic community is becoming increasingly rare — and increasingly necessary.
• Leadership culture shapes spiritual growth more than systems or programming.
• Robby believes the church has a unique opportunity to meet the next generation’s longing for real connection.
• Sabbatical is not just physical rest — mental and spiritual rest matter too.
• Transformation happens when we replace lies with truth in the context of relationships.

Resources Mentioned

Trueface Journey

The Path

RightNow Media | Streaming Video Library of Bible Studies

Christian Family Camps in Texas & South Carolina | Pine Cove

Refuge Foundation — Pure Charity

Grow Disciples Conference

The War of Worldviews by Jamie Winship

My First Thirty Quiet Times by Ty Saltzgiver

Live Loved by Ty Saltzgiver

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What if the freedom we’re longing for is on the other side of being fully known?

In part two of our conversation with Jeff Kemp, we explore what it really means to trust others and step into the kind of relationships we were made for. We talk about the tension we all feel—the desire to be known and the fear of being exposed—and how that keeps us stuck in shallow connections. Jeff shares how daily rhythms of remembering our identity in God can quiet our need for approval and free us to show up honestly.

We unpack the difference between surface-level friendships and what Jeff calls “level five” relationships—intentional, consistent, and deeply transformative. Together, we wrestle with why so many of us settle for less, how isolation is quietly shaping our lives, and what it looks like to pursue real friendship with courage.

We also get practical about how to move toward deeper connection, why small groups aren’t the destination but a starting point, and how vulnerability, trust, and consistency create space for true life change.

This conversation is an invitation—to stop doing life solo and step into the kind of relationships where we can be fully known, fully loved, and continually pointed back to truth.

Resources:

• Jeff’s Ministry: MenHuddle.com
• Free license to listen to the AUDIObook of RECEIVE: THE WAY OF JESUS FOR MEN, narrated by Jeff Kemp on AudioOne app: https://one-audiobooks.oneaudiobooks.com/receive_the_way_of_jesus_for_men_leaders_vip
• Free weekly text to grow core friendships: CORE3COACHING.com
• The Father’s Gifts diagram: https://drive.google.com/file/d/13LG7IdBktNY8AsnO36tzAGSjKz4eo7Y4/view?usp=sharing

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