Up on a hill in Greenwich Park, you can see all of London laid out below you - The Shard, Canary Wharf, the Thames - millions of people heading to work. For Kirsten Hurley, that view is a daily reminder of what is possible. And of how much the world loses when it fails to support its carers.

Kirsten Hurley is the founder of Better Leaders Consulting and a former MD who built a team of 30+ consultants across Europe, the Middle East, and Africa. She also happens to be a sibling carer for her two severely autistic twin brothers.

In this episode, Kirsten tells us what happens when the mental load of caring becomes unsustainable alongside a high-pressure leadership role - and what it takes to build something new on the other side of that.

In this episode we cover:

- Why 600 people leave employment every single day because of caring responsibilities
- The real difference between coaching, mentoring, and training - and why it matters which one you reach for
- Why "experiment" beats "transformation" every time you are trying to change
- What has quietly regressed in the world of DEI - and what the language we use at work reveals
- The living company handbook that let anyone in the business raise an issue
- What it really costs a business when the high performer is also carrying an invisible load at home

Kirsten's C-Word is CARING.
Find Kirsten on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hurleykirsten/
Kirsten's company Better Leaders Consulting: https://www.linkedin.com/company/better-leaders-consulting
Carers UK: https://www.carersuk.org
Employers for Carers: https://www.employersforcarers.org

Three Founders Walk Into A... is hosted by Emma Campbell and Helen Wingrove-Sanders.
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Emma Campbell: https://www.thecpoint.co.uk/
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Chapters:
00:00 - Welcome to Three Founders Walk Into A...
02:20 - Kirsten's Place: Greenwich Park In Spring
05:57 - From Salesperson To MD To Founder - Kirsten's Career Story
08:35 - Being A Carer Alongside A Leadership Role
09:18 - Building A Team Of 30 Across EMEA
14:22 - What She Has Learned About Replenishing Your Batteries
22:43 - Wankonomics Comedians about Company Values
29:33 - Her Clients - Women In Tech And Fintech Sales Teams
34:00 - Women In The Room - What Has Changed And What Hasn't
36:31 - The Language We Use In Job Descriptions (And Why It Matters)
41:12: - 600 People Leave Work Every Day Because Of Caring
- The C-Word: CARING

Three Founders Walk Into A... is hosted by Helen Wingrove-Sanders (HFBAC) and Emma Campbell (The Coaching Point).

New episode every week.

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This week, three founders walk into a wild camp at dusk.

Boots off. Cup of tea in hand. Looking back down the ridge we've climbed - and up at the summit still ahead.

Our guest this week is Gerwyn Tumelty - CEO of Coron Projects, ex-Royal Navy, chartered engineer, and a man who has genuinely climbed a few mountains to get here.

Gerwyn built Coron Projects from the ground up in 2022, after years of contracting, a serious health challenge, and a crisis point that forced him to finally ask the question his friend put to him early on:

"Why do you actually want to do this? Because if it's just to grow something - go to B&Q and buy a plant."

He talks about:
- Building a fractional project leadership team that now numbers nine people
- The moment health forced him to stop hiding and start asking for help
- His BBC Wales feature on trigeminal neuralgia and men's mental health
- Writing a chapter for the newly launched book "Untold and Retold" on World Book Day 2026
- His two services - Ascent (contract and consultancy) and Basecamp (training and coaching for engineering SMEs)
- Why connection isn't just a nice word - it's the thing that keeps your battery charged

His C-Word? CONNECTION.
And it lands.

Coron Projects: https://www.coronprojects.co.uk
Gerwyn on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gerwyn-tumelty/
Buy the Untold and Retold book here: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Untold-Retold-Unblocking-stories-Stories/dp/1919480307

Three Founders Walk Into A... is hosted by Emma Campbell and Helen Wingrove-Sanders

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Three Founders Walk Into A... is hosted by Helen Wingrove-Sanders (HFBAC) and Emma Campbell (The Coaching Point).

New episode every week.

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Three founders walk into a... sauna.

No - really. An actual sauna. On a cliff edge overlooking Oxwich Bay on the Gower Peninsula, South Wales.

That's where Adam Brooks took us for Episode 4 of Three Founders Walk Into A... and it might be the most honest, funny, and genuinely useful conversation we've had yet.

Adam is the founder of Sales Academy - a business community built for founders who want to do epic things, built around epic people. He also runs a digital marketing project management agency and co-runs TrueConnectors, a no-pitch networking community in South Wales.

He turned 50 last year, works three days a week, and is fully in love with his life, his work, his partner, and his kids.

Ten years ago, none of that was true.

In this episode, Adam takes us from a health crisis at 40 that he thought might be the end, to a life and business so deliberately designed that he doesn't even need to check his diary the night before a coaching day. He talks about the internal voice that was kinder to strangers than it ever was to himself, the moment he realised he was wearing 'workaholic' as a badge of honour while quietly killing himself, and why "that was good enough today" might be the most powerful phrase a founder can learn.

He also gives us the most practical and genuinely simple framework for designing your ideal week that we've heard on this show. A landscape A4 sheet. Morning, afternoon, evening. Monday to Sunday. That's it. That's where it starts.

Adam's C-Word: CURIOSITY
"Look at Socrates. Look at Einstein. Look at Leonardo da Vinci. They were just curious. They asked questions. They stayed open minded, open hearted. Be the five year old kid pulling on mum's dress going, yeah but why? And do it till they beg you to stop - then do it more."

ABOUT ADAM BROOKS
Adam Brooks is the founder of Sales Academy, a business community for founders who want to do epic things alongside epic people. He also runs a digital marketing project management agency and co-founded TrueConnect, a monthly networking community in South Wales built around real conversations, good food, and zero sixty-second pitches.

He coaches founders on Sales Academy and works with businesses across Wales and the UK. He's based in the South Wales M4 corridor and can usually be found in a sauna, on a mountain, or picking up his ginger-haired son from school.

🔗 Adam Brooks / Sales Academy: https://www.linkedin.com/in/itsadambrooks/

ABOUT THREE FOUNDERS WALK INTO A...
Three founders. Two hosts. One guest. None of us know where we're going.
Every week, one of us invites a founder the other has never met - and that guest doesn't just join the conversation. They choose where we've walked into. Could be a coffee shop in Rome, a treehouse in Costa Rica, or an actual sauna on a cliff in South Wales.

We have three questions. The rest is just whatever happens when three founders sit down and get honest.

Hosted by Emma Campbell (The Coaching Point). and Helen Wingrove-Sanders (HFBAC - Hiring For and Building Awesome Companies)

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Three Founders Walk Into A... is hosted by Helen Wingrove-Sanders (HFBAC) and Emma Campbell (The Coaching Point).

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