Dan Brown is the kind of person who will walk into your organization, look at your product, and immediately see the structural problems nobody else will name — because he's been doing exactly that for enterprise teams for over two decades. After 18 years co-founding 8Shapes, he now runs Curious Squid Design Lab, where he focuses on product information architecture and the deep craft work that most teams are too rushed to do.

In this episode of The UX Level-Up Podcast, Sophia and Dan get into a tension that's been building for years — information architects and product designers are working in the same problem space and barely talking to each other, and AI is about to make that very, very expensive. They talk about what actually goes wrong on teams that skip the structural work, why the frenzy to use AI tools is adding pressure instead of removing it, and what Dan said at a recent workshop that made Sophia write it down on the spot.

LINKS:

Dan's newsletter, Spilling Ink: https://curioussquid.substack.com/

The Unchecked Podcast: https://unchecked.buzzsprout.com/

Connect with Dan on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/danmbrown/

Find out more about Dan: https://www.curious-squid.com

Continue the conversation in the OOUX Forum: https://forum.ooux.com/posts/dan-brown-product-ia-with-ai-as-the-ultimate-level-up

Connect with Sophia on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sophiav/

Follow Sophia on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sophiavux/

Check out the OOUX Website: https://ooux.com

Follow Sophia on Medium: https://sophiavux.medium.com

Interested in training your team on OOUX? Book a call here: https://calendly.com/ooux/opportunity

Get on the Cohort 12 waitlist: https://ooux.com/certification

Angie King went from contractor to VP of UX Design at US Bank in five years — not because she had all the answers, but because she was the person in the room asking the right questions. She's now the content strategy manager at Mayo Clinic, where she's putting the ORCA framework to work on one of the most complex content systems in healthcare.

In this episode of The UX Level-Up Podcast, Sophia and Angie get into what it actually looks like when a veteran content strategist finds a framework that finally clicks — and why Angie believes it's not just career-changing, but field-changing. If you've ever felt like the smartest person in a conversation but struggled to explain why something was off, this episode is for you.

Note: Angie King appeared on this episode in her individual professional capacity. Any views, stories, or experiences shared in this conversation are Angie’s own and should not be interpreted as official positions of Mayo Clinic.

LINKS:

Register for Angie’s Button Conference Talk: https://www.buttonevents.com/2026-sessions/object-oriented-ux-a-content-first-approach-to-meaningful-content-design

Connect with Angie on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/angieking/

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Connect with Sophia on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sophiav/

Follow Sophia on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sophiavux/

Check out the OOUX Website: https://ooux.com

Follow Sophia on Medium: https://sophiavux.medium.com

Interested in training your team on OOUX? Book a call here: https://calendly.com/ooux/opportunity

Get on the Cohort 12 waitlist: https://ooux.com/certification

Check out Zoe: https://ooux.com/zoe

Sophia Prater is the founder of OOUX and the creator of the ORCA process, a practical system for untangling complexity and designing more intuitive digital products. In this episode of the podcast, Sophia shares what she’s learning from Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi’s book Flow, why so many status quo UX practices actually keep designers stuck between boredom and overwhelm, and how ORCA helps create the conditions for deeper focus, clearer thinking, and more intrinsically rewarding work. She also explores the six ingredients of flow state, why UX often thwarts them, and how AI can either support or sabotage the kind of meaningful problem-solving designers are really hungry for.LINKS:Get access to the Free Training here Join the OOUX Forum

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