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The Message-Market Fit Podcast

The Message-Market Fit Podcast

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 Your team knows your product inside and out. But when prospects land on your site or read your pitch, they don't get it. That gap between what you know and what customers understand is costing you conversions. The Message-Market Fit Podcast helps B2B SaaS leaders close that gap. Hosted by Chris Silvestri, founder and conversion copywriter at Conversion Alchemy, each episode delivers actionable insights on creating messaging that actually resonates and converts—no jargon, no fluff. Through two distinct formats, Chris unpacks real-world messaging wins and specialized tactics. Messaging Breakdowns (20-30 min) dissect specific copy or website messaging that worked—walking through the process, decisions, and results to extract practical lessons. Shop Talk Sessions (30-40 min) go deep on specialized topics in messaging strategy, customer psychology, and conversion tactics with concrete takeaways. If you're a marketing leader, founder, or growth specialist at a B2B SaaS company, you'll get frameworks and insights to understand your customers better and communicate your value more clearly. Hit subscribe and bridge the gap between what you build and what buyers understand.2024 The Message-Market Fit Podcast Management & Leadership Marketing & Vertrieb Ökonomie
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  • #044 - Phill Agnew - Loss Aversion, Effort & Specificity: The Psychology That Actually Drives Conversions

    #044 - Phill Agnew - Loss Aversion, Effort & Specificity: The Psychology That Actually Drives Conversions
    Dec 2 2025

    Throughout our conversation, Phill breaks down the heuristics that marketers consistently underestimate or misuse: loss aversion, social proof, the effort heuristic, and specificity. He explains why showing effort matters more than ever in the age of AI, how to use social proof beyond grayscale logos, and why the most powerful marketing messages are the ones that match the exact language your customers already use.

    One of Phill's biggest insights: losses feel twice as painful as equivalent gains. Research shows that when insulation companies told homeowners "you're losing 75 cents every day" instead of "you could save 75 cents a day," conversions doubled. Amazon uses this when you try to cancel Prime—they don't list benefits, they tell you exactly what you'll lose in savings.

    Phill also shares how Buffer replaced generic logo carousels with specific customer outcomes like "I grew my LinkedIn following by 200%" and saw significant conversion improvements. He breaks down Cialdini's research showing that telling hotel guests "people in this specific room reuse their towels" was more effective than "most people in this hotel reuse their towels"—even though fewer people had stayed in that room. Specificity creates believability.

    CONNECT WITH PHILL
    • Phill Agnew on LinkedIn (Phill with two Ls!)
    • Nudge Podcast Website
    • Nudge Podcast on YouTube
    • The Nudge Vaults (Waitlist)
    SHOW NOTES
    • 00:00 The Risks of Using AI in Marketing
    • 00:39 Introduction to the Message Market Fit Podcast
    • 01:34 Meet Phil Agnew: Host of Nudge Podcast
    • 02:29 The Psychology of Effort and Costly Signaling
    • 08:29 Phil's Journey in Product Marketing
    • 11:32 The Birth of the Nudge Podcast
    • 16:24 The Art of Storytelling in Podcasts
    • 24:57 Understanding Human Decision Making
    • 28:38 The Power of Social Proof
    • 29:24 Understanding Loss Aversion
    • 31:07 The Importance of Audience Understanding
    • 33:37 Effective Use of Social Proof
    • 42:52 The Priming Effect Experiment
    • 50:59 AI and Perceived Effort
    • 56:22 Practical Application of Heuristics
    • 59:56 Conclusion and Resources

    Learn more at https://conversionalchemy.net/

    Connect with Chris https://linktr.ee/conversionalchemy
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    1 Std. und 1 Min.
  • #043 - Kyle Scott - Voice, Tone & World-Building: How to Write Email Copy That Sells Out Events

    #043 - Kyle Scott - Voice, Tone & World-Building: How to Write Email Copy That Sells Out Events
    Nov 5 2025
    The foundation of this episode rests on a critical distinction that most marketers blur together: **voice versus tone**. Kyle explains that voice is your written personality—it stays consistent across all channels and contexts. Tone, by contrast, is how you inflect that personality based on the situation. Think James Bond: he's always Bond, but his tone shifts when he's with a love interest versus facing a villain. For B2B teams, this means your brand voice should be recognizable everywhere—email, website, social, support—but the tone can adapt to urgency, celebration, education, or crisis. The practical implication? Don't let different team members rewrite your voice. Align on the character first, then let tone flex.Kyle didn't learn to write in Ryan Serhant's voice through copywriting school or brand guidelines. He learned through **listening**—watching Million Dollar Listing, reading his book, listening to his podcast, working alongside him. He absorbed cadence, word choice, energy, and personality through immersion. His advice: if you're writing for a person or personal brand, listen to them speak. If you're writing for a business, find real-world personalities who embody your brand's values and listen to how they talk. Then internalize it. This is more effective than any document because it's about osmosis, not rules. The email breakdown reveals why: Kyle didn't follow a template. He wrote like he was having a conversation with someone he knew.The email itself is a masterclass in **specificity**. Instead of "high up above the skyscrapers," Kyle wrote "1,416 feet in the air." Instead of "luxury listing," he said "$250 million triplex" at "Central Park Tower," the "most expensive listing ever in the United States." Each specific detail makes the reader *feel* the exclusivity. It's not marketing fluff—it's world-building. The specificity creates a mental image that makes the offer feel real and tangible. For B2B: replace "enterprise-grade" with "handles 10M+ transactions per day." Replace "easy to use" with "onboards in under 5 minutes." Specificity is credibility.But Kyle thinks five steps ahead. The email isn't just selling tickets—it's constructing a world of exclusivity around the event. Every element reinforces that world: "Early Access" in the subject line signals insider status. "Since you're on the mastermind wait list" reminds people they're part of a curated group. The Wall Street Journal link (with its paywall) signals prestige—hitting the paywall *reinforces* that this is exclusive. "All showing agents are vetted" means you can't just show up; you have to be approved. "Once it's sold, it'll be forever closed" creates scarcity and finality. This isn't manipulation. It's intentional storytelling. And it matters because the story you tell internally (we sold out in one email) becomes the story you tell externally (everyone wants in now).Kyle also reveals a tactical choice that most marketers miss: he sent the email through HubSpot but made it *look* like a personal email from Outlook. No fancy header. No marketing template. Just "Hi there" and conversational language. Why? Because personal emails get higher open rates, higher engagement, and feel more authentic. When you're selling a $7,000 ticket, you can afford to spend 3–4 hours replying to people personally. That human touch is worth it. The trade-off: you can't use a signup page. You have to be willing to handle the volume of replies. But for high-ticket offers, this is a no-brainer.The bigger picture Kyle emphasizes is this: **in an age where AI can replicate your software in seconds, brand and community are your only defensible advantages**. And brand is built on point of view. Not politics or religion—but a clear stance on where your industry is going and what your customers need to succeed. Perplexity has a POV on AI research. Claude has a POV on safety and privacy. Open AI is more generalist—which is why specialists are carving out niches. For B2B SaaS: if you're not prescriptive about what your customers should do, you're invisible. Tell them what to do. Make it the easy path. Customers are lazy—they want an expert to guide them, not a generic platform.Whether you're a B2B SaaS marketer building brand voice, a copywriter learning the mechanics of persuasive writing, a founder building a personal brand, or a product marketer learning how to position and communicate value, this episode offers practical frameworks for building messaging that cuts through noise and creates desire. Kyle's breakdown of how he constructed exclusivity through language and storytelling is worth a listen—and worth applying to your own work.Enjoy!CONNECT WITH KYLEKyle Scott on LinkedInKyle Scott's NewsletterInstagram: @kylescotsoriginalLuxury PresenceSHOW NOTES00:00 The Power of Brand and Community01:05 Welcome to the Message Market Fit Podcast02:12 Introducing Today's Guest: Kyle Scott02:53 Dissecting a High-Performing Email07:56 The...
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    40 Min.
  • #042 - Sam Dunning - Revenue-First SEO: Money Keywords, Competitor Pages & Building Content Moats

    #042 - Sam Dunning - Revenue-First SEO: Money Keywords, Competitor Pages & Building Content Moats
    Sep 24 2025

    We start by exploring Sam's "Revenue Not Vanity" philosophy and why traditional SEO approaches focused on top-funnel, informational content are becoming less effective. With Google's AI overviews dominating informational searches, Sam explains how the real opportunity lies in bottom-funnel, high-intent keywords where prospects are actively evaluating solutions. His three-column keyword research framework—your offer (however prospects describe it), industries you serve best, and main competitors—creates long-tail opportunities that are less competitive but highly qualified.

    Sam walks us through his transparent approach to competitor content, advocating for pages that build trust by leading with where you're not the best fit before doubling down on your differentiators. This positions you as the helpful guide rather than the pushy salesperson. He also shares his "blow out the water" content strategy, which involves systematically analyzing what's already ranking and one-upping it with better research, customer insights, testimonials, and proof elements.

    We also discuss SEO in the age of AI search, where Sam shares compelling data showing Google still receives 373 times more searches than ChatGPT and all AI tools combined. His strategy focuses on fundamentals that work across both traditional and AI search—particularly brand mentions and getting listed on relevant industry sites. Throughout the conversation, Sam emphasizes that effective SEO content requires deep customer understanding of how prospects describe their problems, what alternatives they're using, and why they choose one solution over another.

    Whether you're a marketing leader trying to prove SEO ROI, a founder looking to build predictable organic pipeline, or a content strategist wanting to move beyond vanity metrics, this episode delivers actionable frameworks you can implement immediately.

    Enjoy!

    CONNECT WITH SAM
    • LinkedIn
    • Breaking B2B Website
    SHOW NOTES
    • 00:00 Introduction and Sam's "Revenue Not Vanity" Value Proposition
    • 03:00 Sam's Journey from Web Agencies to B2B SEO Specialist
    • 06:00 Why Traditional SEO Traffic Doesn't Convert
    • 09:00 The Money Keywords Framework: Offer + Industry + Competitors
    • 15:00 Finding Long-Tail Opportunities in Competitive Markets
    • 18:00 Sam's Content Creation Process and Research Methods
    • 24:00 Building Competitor Comparison Pages That Build Trust
    • 30:00 The "Blow Out the Water" Content Strategy
    • 36:00 Technical SEO vs. Content: Where to Focus Your Energy
    • 40:00 SEO in the Age of AI: Is Google Dead?
    • 44:00 Sam's London Street Experiment: "Has AI Killed Google?"
    • 46:00 Where Sam Goes to Learn and Grow

    Learn more at https://conversionalchemy.net/

    Connect with Chris https://linktr.ee/conversionalchemy
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    48 Min.
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