John sits down with entrepreneur and deep thinker Kevin Phung and comedian, actor, and cultural commentator Joon Lee for an honest, wide-ranging conversation about identity, faith, masculinity, culture, and what it really feels like to enter your thirties in today’s world.
From Silicon Valley startups to stand-up comedy stages, from church pews to existential questions, Kevin and Joon reflect on how your thirties quietly shift everything. Expectations grow. Certainty fades. And suddenly, life feels less about proving yourself — and more about reconstructing who you are.
Together, they explore how culture shapes confidence, why many of us feel more inadequate as we age, and how faith, doubt, curiosity, and connection intersect in ways that don’t fit clean formulas. The conversation weaves through Asian American identity, “bro science,” relationships, spirituality, creativity, and the courage it takes to stay curious instead of defensive.
Together they discuss:
• Why your thirties often feel harder than your twenties — and why that’s not a failure
• The pressure to have life “figured out” versus the reality of ongoing reconstruction
• Masculinity, confidence, and the difference between performance and presence
• Asian cultural upbringing, stoicism, and learning to express yourself
• “Bro science,” confidence culture, and where it helps — and where it harms
• Faith, doubt, and why curiosity may be more honest than certainty
• Seeing God, life, and meaning as relationship rather than rules
• Creativity, comedy, and why levity might be a form of healing
This episode isn’t about answers.
It’s about sitting honestly inside the questions — together.
If you’re navigating your thirties, rethinking faith, identity, or success, or simply trying to become more fully yourself, this conversation will feel like company on the road.
Plug in, stay curious, and keep walking.