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Jonathan Reams, PhD, is currently doing action research projects exploring how to scale micro-skill development for habituating core leadership practices. He approaches this work drawing on experiences from holding a position at the Norwegian University of Science and Technology (NTNU) from 2007 until 2024, serving as editor-in-chief of Integral Review from 2005 to 2023, and being chief creative officer at the Center for Transformative Leadership and Adeptify.

A Few Quotes From This Episode

• "Leadership isn’t about position—it’s about behavior in the moment.”
• “We need proprioception of thought—awareness of our thinking as it arises.”
• “The feeling of being time-starved is an interpretation, not a fact.”
• “It’s not about a thousand skills to master; it’s about cultivating processes for clean thinking and wise action.”

Resources Mentioned in This Episode

• Article: Amal and Berndt’s paper on the knowing–doing gap
• Center for Creative Leadership’s DAC model
• Dynamic Skill Theory – Kurt Fischer
• David Bohm’s work on the proprioception of thought
• David Wagoner’s poem Lost
• Book: BJ Fogg’s Tiny Habits
• Book: James Clear’s Atomic Habits
• Book: Robert Kegan and Lisa Lahey’s Immunity to Change
• Book: Daniel Coyle’s The Talent Code

About The International Leadership Association (ILA)

• The ILA was created in 1999 to bring together professionals interested in studying, practicing, and teaching leadership. Plan for Prague - October 15-18, 2025!

About Scott J. Allen

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My Approach to Hosting

• The views of my guests do not constitute "truth." Nor do they reflect my personal views in some instances. However, they are views to consider, and I hope they help you clarify your perspective. Nothing can replace your reflection, research, and exploration of the topic.

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Jonathan Reams, PhD, is currently doing action research projects exploring how to scale micro-skill development for habituating core leadership practices. He approaches this work drawing on experiences from holding a position at the Norwegian University of Science and Technology (NTNU) from 2007 until 2024, serving as editor-in-chief of Integral Review from 2005 to 2023, and being chief creative officer at the Center for Transformative Leadership and Adeptify.

A Few Quotes From This Episode

• "You may think your inner state is invisible, but you can’t hide it.”
• “The success of the intervention is primarily due to the interior condition of the intervener.”
• “Resilience isn’t about bouncing back to normal—it’s about expanding your capacity.”
• “Leaders create the weather. Your energy is the signal everyone else reads first.”
• “Knowing about something isn’t the same as learning how to do it.”

Resources Mentioned in This Episode

• Article: Amal and Berndt’s paper on the knowing–doing gap
• Book: An Everyone Culture by Kegan and Lahey
• Book: The Outward Mindset by The Arbinger Institute
• Book: Theory U by Otto Scharmer
• Organization: HeartMath Institute
• Tool: MindLog by Theo Dawson

About The International Leadership Association (ILA)

• The ILA was created in 1999 to bring together professionals interested in studying, practicing, and teaching leadership. Plan for Prague - October 15-18, 2025!

About Scott J. Allen

• Website
• Weekly Newsletter: Practical Wisdom for Leaders
• Blog

My Approach to Hosting

• The views of my guests do not constitute "truth." Nor do they reflect my personal views in some instances. However, they are views to consider, and I hope they help you clarify your perspective. Nothing can replace your reflection, research, and exploration of the topic.

♻️ Please share with others and follow/subscribe to the podcast!
⭐️ Please leave a review on Apple, Spotify, or your platform of choice.
➡️ Follow me on LinkedIn for more on leadership, communication, and tech.
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John Dailey – A high school diving coach for more than 45 years, John is known for his infectious energy, big-hearted mentorship, and focus on building confidence and resilience in young athletes.

Chris Whritenour – A trailblazing coach and former University of Minnesota diver (and its first female coach). Chris broke barriers as one of the first women to sign a collegiate athletic letter of intent and has spent decades inspiring divers (especially young women) to believe in their own strength.

Dennis Pluth – A passionate former diver and coach for nearly two decades, Dennis blends tough love with deep care, challenging athletes to take ownership of their growth while celebrating the lifelong community the sport creates.

Bret Beecher – A lifelong coach who began at 15 and has led athletes from high school to collegiate levels, Bret treasures the long-term relationships with his divers and the joy of watching them grow into confident, accomplished adults.

Quotes From This Episode

• "Diving is 85% mental, 15% physical—we spend an awful lot of time running around inside these kids’ heads.” — John Dailey
• “You can tell when someone’s genuine, just by showing up every day and making them believe they can.” — Chris Whritenour
• “Diving accepted me for who I am." — Dennis Pluth
• “Whether you finish in last place or first place, the kids will never forget the experience they had from their coaches and teammates.” — Bret Beecher

About The International Leadership Association (ILA)

• The ILA was created in 1999 to bring together professionals interested in studying, practicing, and teaching leadership. Plan for Prague - October 15-18, 2025!

About Scott J. Allen

• Website
• Weekly Newsletter: Practical Wisdom for Leaders
• Blog

My Approach to Hosting

• The views of my guests do not constitute "truth." Nor do they reflect my personal views in some instances. However, they are views to consider, and I hope they help you clarify your perspective. Nothing can replace your reflection, research, and exploration of the topic.

♻️ Please share with others and follow/subscribe to the podcast!
⭐️ Please leave a review on Apple, Spotify, or your platform of choice.
➡️ Follow me on LinkedIn for more on leadership, communication, and tech.
📜 Subscribe to my weekly newsletter featuring four hand-picked articles.
🌎 You can learn more about my work on my Website.