Planting a church in New York City isn’t for the faint of heart. It takes vision, resilience, leadership, and a team that can navigate complexity, culture, and challenge. In this episode, the hosts of Navigating the 4 take a creative approach and hold a Biblical Character Draft—selecting people from Scripture they would want on their team if they were planting a church in one of the most influential and demanding cities in the world. Along the way, we explore what these biblical figures teach us about leadership, teamwork, courage, generosity, and faithfulness in ministry.

Join the hosts of Navigating the 4 for this podcast, as they dive into the art of handling pressure and overcoming life’s toughest challenges. From unexpected obstacles to high-stakes moments, we explore practical strategies to stay calm, focused, and resilient when life pushes back. Whether you’re facing career pressures, personal struggles, or everyday stress, this conversation will give you tools to navigate the storm with confidence and clarity.

What does leading and shepherding have in common? Join the hosts of Navigating the 4, as they explore three principles from the book The Way of the Shepherd by Dr. Kevin Leman and William Pentak—and unpack how shepherd-style leadership transforms the way we communicate, influence, and care for others. Through the lens of communication, faith, leadership, and mental health, we discuss how these shepherding principles apply to businesses, organizations, churches, and families.