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Caroline dresses like a prisoner because, as her grandfather used to say, after 50 years of marriage, "murderers get out earlier."

Eva brings John Gottman's The Seven Principles for Making Marriage Work, and we get into the Love Lab, the 5-to-1 rule, the Four Horsemen, the Roach Motel, the mental load, and "just bring socks," why the marriage has to come before the kids, and what happened when we asked Claude for marriage advice.

Plus Book, Meme, and Word of the Week: LARPing.

VIDEO CHAPTERS

00:00 Married 50 Years? Murderers Get Out Earlier
01:00 The Useless Purse Necklace
01:59 Marriage Is All Hints
02:52 Love Is a Verb
03:40 Claude as a Marriage Therapist
04:51 Should You Go to Bed Angry?
05:51 It's Never About the Dishes
07:53 John Gottman's Love Lab
09:39 Solvable vs. Unsolvable Fights
10:17 The 5-to-1 Rule
11:05 The Marriage Is the Unit
12:44 Would You Rather Be Right or Have Peace?
15:01 The Hot Drop
15:38 Happy Wives Live Longer
16:37 Is the Phone the Mistress?
18:20 Hard Talks Happen in the Car
19:55 The Four Horsemen
21:03 "I'm Sorry, But"
22:58 The Roach Motel vs. the Four Seasons
23:26 The Rosh Hashanah Duffel Bag
26:53 The Dolomites Fight
27:15 "Just Bring Socks" and the Mental Load
28:45 The Forgotten EpiPen
29:28 Burn the Backpack
34:13 Nurture Fondness and Admiration
34:51 Are Women Wired to Test Their Husbands?
36:30 70% of Marriage Is Friendship
39:02 Husband Before Kids?
41:21 Living With the In-Laws
43:09 Breaking the Broken Record
45:39 Book and Meme of the Week
46:43 Word of the Week: LARPing
48:05 "We Need to Talk"

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Eva and Caroline go all in on American politics this week — a full hour tracing how the Democratic and Republican parties got to where they are today, from the Clinton and Reagan eras through to now. They get personal about their own political journeys, including a confession about a 2016 vote that wasn't exactly popular among friends at the time, and what actually changed after October 7th. The conversation moves through antisemitism and why it's a warning sign worth everyone's attention, the "surplus elite" theory of why so many overeducated, high-achieving people are drawn toward the far left, the role social media plays in deepening our echo chambers, and a candid, personal take on losing friendships over who voted for whom.

In this episode:

• The Democratic Party's shift from Clinton-era centrism to today's progressive wing
• The Republican Party's shift from Reagan-era conservatism to Trump-era populism
• Our own political journeys, and what changed our minds along the way
• Why antisemitism matters as a bellwether for everyone, not just Jewish people
• The "surplus elite" theory and why it's resonating right now
• How social media echo chambers are reshaping how people vote
• A real conversation about losing friends over politics
• What each party actually stands for today, broken down plainly
• Why voting locally matters more than people think

CHAPTERS

0:00 — Welcome
2:16 — Why America Still Matters
5:48 — The Democrats: The Clinton Era
8:29 — Obama, Immigration, and the ACA
17:36 — The Left's Shift: Bernie, the Squad, and Media Reactions
22:17 — 2016, Trump, and Learning to Listen
23:25 — The Republicans: Reagan to Trump
29:02 — Trump's Character, COVID Media, and October 7th
31:54 — Media Trust, Hillary, and Biden's Decline
38:17 — Antisemitism, Social Media, and Radicalization
40:43 — What Each Party Actually Stands For
44:10 — Closing Thoughts and Call to Vote
44:51 — Mic Drop

Resources mentioned:

• Vote.org — register to vote and find your polling place
• Ballotpedia — research local candidates and races

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Organizational psychologist Alison Fragale (author of Likable Badass) explains why hiring help is essential for your sanity, not a luxury. She breaks down how she outsources childcare, cleaning, and errands without the guilt, why she hires a "third parent" instead of a nanny, and how to give feedback to the people who help you.

In this episode:

• Why you should always go first in a negotiation (the $300 couch)
• Why going "in the red" on childcare can be an investment
• The market reframe: you're not exploiting anyone by hiring help
• How to hire a "third parent" and give feedback to people who work in your home
• Why 80% done by someone else is a win
• Why to keep a bench of five sitters, and overpay them
• Why earning your own income doesn't end the "why do we need this?" argument, and what it does change

Book of the week: Likable Badass by Alison Fragale [AMAZON LINK]

Connect with Alison: [LINKS]

Chapters

0:00 Welcome, Alison Fragale
3:02 What makes a likable badass
4:50 Always go first (the $300 couch)
9:16 It takes a village
12:17 It's not about money, it's a mindset
14:37 Why it's okay to go "in the red" on childcare
18:13 The guilt of outsourcing
21:35 You're not exploiting anyone: the market reframe
22:34 Care.com, TaskRabbit, and the contractor mindset
25:51 Hire a "third parent"
28:00 How to give feedback without the awkwardness
30:22 Ask what they love and hate doing
31:49 Skip the agency? Alison's hiring philosophy
35:14 "If you leave for another nanny job, I failed you"
36:11 Founder's mentality and the 80% rule
39:27 What else can you outsource?
43:14 Where does your husband fit in?
47:44 The day the movers changed his mind
50:36 Keep a bench of five sitters
53:03 Why you should overpay sitters
57:01 Book of the week: Likable Badass
58:54 Give people a to-do list
1:12:18 Time vs. money in the marriage
1:13:50 Meme of the week

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This week Caroline is still getting the hang of driving in Miami, which somehow opens into the real subject of the episode: a week full of milestones. Caroline's son Teddy turned 10 — double digits, closer to college than to the day he was born — and Eva just finished dropping her second son off at college. Eva and Caroline talk through why the second college goodbye is harder than the first, the pressure to perform a "perfect dorm room" online, and a reframe from Claude that changed how Caroline thinks about mom guilt: being present isn't a character trait; it's a battery, and nobody runs on full all the time. Along the way: a very good Uber story, a case for "benign neglect," and why Miami parenting anxiety looks nothing like New York City parenting anxiety.

Eva's book of the week is Culpability, by Bruce Holsinger, about who's responsible when a self-driving car crashes with a teenager behind the wheel, and her new favorite phrase is "slowmaxxing" — the art of a slow, unhurried morning.

Chapters:
0:00 Welcome & Miami Driving Chaos
3:46 The Milestones: Teddy Turns 10 & Sandy Goes to College
10:18 Why the Second Goodbye Hits Harder
16:34 Being Present Isn't a Character Trait — It's a Battery
18:15 Mom Guilt, Benign Neglect & Growing Up in NYC vs. Miami
23:55 The Best Uber Ride Ever (More Miami Driving Mishaps)
25:44 Word of the Week: Slow Maxing
29:27 Self-Driving Cars & Our Book of the Week: Culpability
32:16 Wrap-Up & Goodbyes

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This week we're joined by Amanda Kingloff — craft stylist, former Lifestyle Director at Parents magazine, founder of ProjectKid, and author of the new book The Art of Jewish Joy: Crafts and Activities for Celebration and Connection (Chronicle Books), co-written with Suzy Ultman.

We talk about why grown-ups forget how to play, what it means to "unlearn" the conventional use of a bottle cap, and how Amanda went from a pre-med, photography-major mindset to building a career out of arts and crafts. Then we get into the real heart of it: how October 7th sent Amanda back into her own Jewish identity, why she and her husband quietly walked away from synagogue-based Judaism as adults, and how she and Suzy built a book that renames every holiday chapter after the value inside it — the Art of Self-Reflection (Rosh Hashanah/Yom Kippur), the Art of Shining Bright (Hanukkah), the Art of Honoring Freedom (Passover), the Art of Grit and Grace (Purim).

Also covered: the Sukkot tradition of leaving the corners of a field unharvested for the poor, why you cover the challah before kiddush, Amanda's daughter's snow-globe Halloween costume, and Eva's new favorite phrase, "achievement cheap."

0:00 Welcome
0:13 Meet Amanda Kingloff — craft stylist & author
2:31 Why Grown-Ups Forget How to Play
6:23 Halloween Costumes & the DIY Shelf Wall
8:08 October 7th and Finding Her Way Back to Judaism
10:47 The Yom Kippur Ritual in the Park
15:22 The Book Reveal: The Art of Jewish Joy
19:33 Why We Cover the Challah
20:17 Sukkot: The Unharvested Corners
21:28 Back to Crafting: Mind Maps & Painted Shabbat Rocks
24:08 "Achievement Sheep"
28:05 The Camp Award Story
28:56 Renaming the Holidays: Self-Reflection, Shining Bright & Grit and Grace
32:18 Wrap-Up & Where to Find the Book

The Art of Jewish Joy is out now from Chronicle Books. https://www.chroniclebooks.com/products/art-of-jewish-joy?srsltid=AfmBOoqvL5Dqy0WX9DUxcXkpL_ZasyahTTje2GehaYjSAD4PnPRRRN79

Find Amanda at @amandakingloff and Suzy at @suzyultman.

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This week, Eva and Caroline debut a brand new format — split screen, Eva in New York, Caroline two weeks into her move to Miami — and cover a lot of ground.

They talk about Hayden Panettiere's sudden death, which sent Eva down a Nashville rewatch and into a bigger conversation about what fame does to child stars.

Caroline breaks down her new commute, her "sixth borough" theory of South Florida, and an airport observation that turns into a real debate about immigration and the economy.

They also get into current events, whether Jeremy is allowed to own more than one backpack, and what it actually means to be a "true New Yorker" once you've left.

Episode Chapters

0:00 Welcome: New Split-Screen Format (Miami + NYC)

3:40 "Don't Elsa Your Hair": Grays & Bunny's Overdue Grooming

5:32 Is Miami Really the South? The "Sixth Borough" Theory

7:34 JFK, Wheelchairs & the Immigration Economy

9:25 Solo in Miami: Driving, No Help, Learning the Flow

12:19 New Mantras: "I'm in a Miami State of Mind"

17:58 Books, the Gnome & What Makes a "True New Yorker"

22:36 NYC Politics, Mamdani & Current Events

25:08 Is Jeremy Happy in Florida? (And His Backpack Problem)

29:55 Why We Moved: Building Resilience in the Kids

30:48 Hayden Panettiere, Nashville & Bingeing Soap Operas

35:37 Child Stars and Family Pressure

37:26 Love and Hugs and Sign Off

Show Notes

Jay Shetty Podcast with HAYDEN PANETTIERE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vs6x8VUGXCw

Nashville TV Series: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2281375/

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Award-winning Napa Valley winemaker Ashley Hepworth joins Mic'd and Medicated to talk wine tasting tips, how to order wine at a restaurant, and 23 years working at Joseph Phelps Winery. Ashley — who also happens to be Caroline's sister-in-law — walks us through her path from Charlie Trotter's kitchen in Chicago to launching her own wine labels, A Bloom rosé and AH Wine (Rutherford Cabernet Sauvignon). Plus: growing up outdoorsy in Denver, marrying into a Jewish family as a self-described "1% Jewish shiksa," and surviving chaotic in-law family dinners. A conversation about wine, identity, and family — unfiltered, unafraid, unexpert.

Ashley's wines:
Abloomwine.com
Aaitchwine.com

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Every family is dysfunctional — the only question is whether you know it. This week, Eva and Caroline dig into family dynamics: the TV families they wished were theirs growing up, the ones that actually were, and the strangers-turned-in-laws they each married into.

They cover imprinting (why your childhood home leaves fingerprints on every relationship after it), the New York Times "Surrendered Wife" article that nearly ended their friendship, a highlight reel of meeting each other's in-laws for the first time, and a round of questions they asked each other that neither could dodge.

0:00 Intro: Is Your Family a Sitcom? (Birdcage Edition)
2:00 Word of the Week: Imprinting
12:00 Every Family Is Dysfunctional
22:00 The Surrendered Wife
30:00 Meeting the In-Laws
38:00 Quickfire Q&A
57:00 Book of the Week & Mic Drop

Have a question or a family dynamic that needs airing out? Reach out — we read everything.

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