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Messy with Daniel Atlin

Messy with Daniel Atlin

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 Make Sense of the Mess of Leadership. Today’s leaders are facing unprecedented challenges. It’s a messy, complex world that requires a different approach and mindset to get things done. This is where you'll find conversations on how leaders in complex organizations navigate and make sense of the mess they find themselves in.Solid Gold Podcasts and Audiobooks Management & Leadership Sozialwissenschaften Ökonomie
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  • Why global health needs collective leadership | Heather Anderson and David Kamau

    Why global health needs collective leadership | Heather Anderson and David Kamau
    Jan 8 2026
    Lasting impact happens inside people and adaptation is the critical skill.

    “That trusted network of peers is what keeps leaders standing when the work feels overwhelming.”

    In this episode of Messy with Daniel Atlin, I have a conversation with Heather Anderson (CEO) and David Kamau (Chief Program Officer) from Global Health Corps to explore what leadership really looks like when the stakes are high, the data is incomplete, and the path forward isn’t clear.

    GHC was built on a core belief that systems don’t have agency, people do. It is focused on building capacity in health systems through fostering leadership competencies and skills in early and mid-career leaders in Africa and the U.S.

    David and Heather they unpack how GHC built a “movement” of emerging health leaders across Africa and the U.S. and they do that through tapping into lived and shared experiences, building coaching muscles and a peer community, and harnessing the power of public narrative. They talk candidly about adaptability in crisis, navigating equity and power and preventing burnout in under-resourced systems.

    Key themes of this conversation are:
    - Leadership is a practice, not a position
    - Adaptability is the signature leadership trait
    - Networks prevent burnout and isolation accelerates It
    - Leadership development is a long game where impact doesn’t always show up immediately or cleanly
    - Careers are non-linear and purpose is the best anchor
    - Collective leadership is greater than singular heroic leadership

    We also talk about the relevance of Marshall Ganz’s work on public narrative and its importance to fostering movements and change.
    The work David and Heather do, and the impact of Global Health Corps is impressive.

    If you’ve ever wondered how leaders in a global non-profit keep going in the mess, this conversation is your blueprint.

    And if you want to support an amazing organisation follow and support GHC. Global Health Corps website and how to support them · Information about Marshal Ganz and his work on Public Narrative · Website · Connect with Daniel on LinkedIn
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    48 Min.
  • Leading like a jazz conductor, not a classical maestro | Mark Walton

    Leading like a jazz conductor, not a classical maestro | Mark Walton
    Dec 9 2025
    Hospitals are messy, complex, adaptive systems.

    In this episode, I speak with Mark Walton, President and CEO of Guelph General Hospital. Together, we explore what leadership looks like inside one of the messiest systems we have: a community hospital under relentless pressure. We'll learn lessons to get through the mess.

    Mark traces his health care journey from a 17-year-old ward clerk to finally realising his teenage dream of becoming a hospital CEO and why he cried in the middle of Canadian Tire when he got the call offering him the role of his dreams.

    He makes the case that hospitals and universities as a different species of organisation and are really complex adaptive systems that don't act like a traditional business. They are mission-driven, financially constrained, and constantly juggling patient care, staff well-being, community trust, donors, and regulators.

    Mark shares what he learned in previous roles, leading Ontario’s COVID-19 response: the importance of naming uncertainty, the long shadow of trauma on health-care workers, and a powerful story of learning a key leadership lesson by stepping into the “cracks between systems” to support migrant farm workers when “no help was coming.”

    Along the way, he talks about AI in healthcare, the loneliness of the CEO role, why he leads more like a jazz conductor than a classical maestro, and how music, teaching, and rest help him stay grounded.

    It's a candid, hopeful conversation about complexity, values, and leading humans in a system that never sleeps. Guelph General Hospital's website · Mark Walton's LinkedIn profile · Website · Connect with Daniel on LinkedIn
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    45 Min.
  • Reputation, purpose, and the mess of leadership | Tania Rhodes-Taylor

    Reputation, purpose, and the mess of leadership | Tania Rhodes-Taylor
    Nov 27 2025
    Stewardship in an Age of Noise.

    Executive Director of Communications

    “When leadership goes wrong is when people cling to the baton — and you have to peel their cold, dead hands off it."

    In this episode, I sit down with Tania Rhodes-Taylor, Executive Director of Communications and External Affairs at King’s College London, and Chair of the World 100 Reputation Network, to explore what it really takes to lead in a purpose-driven institution in turbulent times.

    She shares her origin story, being the first in her family to go to university, her experience and perspective gained from working in multiple industries and countries, and what drives her personally.

    Central themes are the importance of reputation, purpose, and stewardship in an age of noise. She says that "reputation is our currency" and that leader should be stewards rather than trying to be main character heroes.

    Tania also share about the importance of art in providing a window into society and culture.

    Key insights:
    💡 Begin every decision with purpose and ask the right questions before deploying solutions.
    💡 Treat reputation as currency as it enables the opportunities of tomorrow.
    💡 Stay human and connected as leadership in complex institutions demands networks, trust and vulnerability.
    💡 Embrace agility and honest institutional conversations about impact, differentiation and identity.
    💡 Prioritise stewardship over personal spotlight and glory as your legacy should be an institution ready for the future.

    If you enjoyed this episode, please share with a colleague, subscribe to Messy with Daniel Atlin, and leave a review to help others discover the podcast. As ever, getting through the mess is easier with friends and colleagues. Connect with Tania on LinkedIn · Tania's firm: Otus Advisory · Website · Connect with Daniel on LinkedIn
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    41 Min.
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