In the powerful final chapter of our four-part Legends of the Cue conversation with Jerry Briesath, we arrive at the heart of a life devoted not just to playing pool—but to teaching it, elevating it, and preserving its future.

Widely regarded as the most influential instructor in billiards history, Jerry reflects on how the modern game has evolved—from the decline of nine-foot tables and the rise of technology, to the dramatic sophistication of safety play and break mechanics at the professional level. With the clarity that has defined his teaching career, he explains why stroke mechanics—not aiming systems or English—remain the foundation of all great play, and why so many players are still taught the game backwards.

Jerry shares timeless teaching insights: the power of repetition, the importance of “shots you must make,” and why respecting so-called “easy shots” separates good players from great ones. These aren’t theories—they’re hard-earned lessons refined over six decades on the table, in poolrooms, academies, and classrooms around the world.

The episode also turns deeply personal. In a moving moment, Jerry answers the question of what he would do differently if he could start again—an honest reflection that reveals the man behind the mentor. He revisits a missed straight-pool shot against a reigning world champion that still lingers in memory, and he defines how he ultimately hopes to be remembered: as someone who loved teaching as much as his students loved learning.

Joined by Allison Fisher and longtime protégé Mark Wilson, this closing episode is both a masterclass and a farewell—an intimate portrait of a teacher whose influence will outlive generations of players. Jerry Briesath didn’t just teach pool. He taught people how to learn.

A fitting final word from one of the game’s true giants.

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"Legends of the Cue" is a pool history podcast featuring interviews with Pool Hall of Fame members, winners of major championships and other people of influence in and around pocket billiards. We also plan to highlight memorable pool brands, events and venues. Focusing on the positive aspects of the sport, we aim to create and provide an engaging and timeless repository of content that listeners can enjoy now and forever. Co-hosted by WPA and BCA Hall of Fame member Allison Fisher, Mosconi Cup player and captain Mark Wilson, our podcast focuses on telling the life stories of pool's greatest, in their voices. Join Allison, Mark and Mike Gonzalez for “Legends of the Cue.”

In Part Three of our four-part conversation with Pool Hall of Famer and BCA Dean of Master Instructors Jerry Briesath, we dive deep into the heart of what made Jerry one of the most influential teachers the game has ever known: mechanics, curiosity, passion, and an unrelenting desire to help others get better.

Jerry explains timeless concepts that still confound players today—why banks on balls near the rail come up short, how sliding changes everything, and why “easy” banks must be overcut. These aren’t tricks or systems, but truths passed down from earlier generations of knowledge, including lessons Jerry absorbed and refined long before modern aiming systems existed.

The conversation expands beyond technique into teaching philosophy. Jerry draws a powerful distinction between working on something and committing to it—a mindset shift that separates incremental improvement from lasting change. Alongside Mark Wilson and Allison Fisher, he emphasizes that no aiming system matters if the stroke doesn’t repeat, and that mechanics must always come first.

We also explore Jerry’s remarkable impact on players at every level: from junior programs and BCA youth camps to elite professionals. He shares stories of helping players like Jeanette Lee rediscover winning form, guiding young talents at summer camps, and working with champions who trusted him to rebuild fundamentals at the highest level.

Equally compelling are the stories of Jerry’s legacy beyond the table—his instructional work in Europe, the creation of A Pool Lesson DVD series with Mark Wilson, and the passion that radiated from every lesson he ever taught. As Mark reflects, Jerry wasn’t just teaching shots—he was modeling enthusiasm, patience, and a love for the craft that inspired everyone around him.

This episode captures Jerry Briesath at his best: thoughtful, funny, generous, and forever curious. A master instructor reminding us that the cue ball never lies—and that learning never stops.

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"Legends of the Cue" is a pool history podcast featuring interviews with Pool Hall of Fame members, winners of major championships and other people of influence in and around pocket billiards. We also plan to highlight memorable pool brands, events and venues. Focusing on the positive aspects of the sport, we aim to create and provide an engaging and timeless repository of content that listeners can enjoy now and forever. Co-hosted by WPA and BCA Hall of Fame member Allison Fisher, Mosconi Cup player and captain Mark Wilson, our podcast focuses on telling the life stories of pool's greatest, in their voices. Join Allison, Mark and Mike Gonzalez for “Legends of the Cue.”

In Part 2 of our four-part Legends of the Cue conversation with Jerry Briesath, we dive deep into the heart of his instructional philosophy—and the ideas that forever changed how generations of players approach the game.

This episode is all about process over results. Jerry explains how his teaching evolved from instinct to system, anchored by one deceptively simple concept: the cue ball on the spot. From that single reference point, he reveals how the cue tip tells the entire story of a player’s stroke, why delivery matters more than the trophy, and how consistency under pressure is built long before competition ever begins.

Jerry shares priceless insights into timing, the pendulum stop, and the transition from backswing to forward swing—drawing parallels to golf, bowling, and throwing mechanics. You’ll hear why he teaches perfection even while acknowledging unorthodox champions, and how elite players separate themselves not by aiming better, but by moving the cue stick than their opponent.

We also explore Jerry’s impact beyond the lesson table: the culture he created in his rooms, the free-lesson philosophy that turned slow nights into packed houses, and the systems-driven approach that inspired lifelong improvement in beginners, league players, and future champions alike. From kids leagues that dominated state tournaments decades later to his instrumental role in shaping the BCA instructor program, Jerry’s influence reaches far beyond Madison.

Along the way, Mark Wilson, Allison Fisher, and Mike Gonzalez reflect on how these teachings shaped their own development—and why so much of what’s missing in today’s game isn’t talent, but environment, mentorship, and systemized learning.

If you’ve ever wondered why great players stay great under pressure, this episode provides the answer: trust the delivery, trust the system, and let the results take care of themselves.

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"Legends of the Cue" is a pool history podcast featuring interviews with Pool Hall of Fame members, winners of major championships and other people of influence in and around pocket billiards. We also plan to highlight memorable pool brands, events and venues. Focusing on the positive aspects of the sport, we aim to create and provide an engaging and timeless repository of content that listeners can enjoy now and forever. Co-hosted by WPA and BCA Hall of Fame member Allison Fisher, Mosconi Cup player and captain Mark Wilson, our podcast focuses on telling the life stories of pool's greatest, in their voices. Join Allison, Mark and Mike Gonzalez for “Legends of the Cue.”

In this opening episode of a special four-part series, Legends of the Cue begins the remarkable life story of Jerry Briesath, widely regarded as the father of modern pool instruction and the longtime Dean of the BCA’s Master Instructor program.

Born in 1937 in Winona, Minnesota, Jerry’s story starts far from championship tables and teaching platforms. He grew up working at his father’s one-man gas station, pumping fuel for 23 cents a gallon, checking oil by hand, and learning the values of discipline, service, and hard work. As a youngster, his first athletic passion was golf—good enough to play high-school varsity as the number one player—before a move to Milwaukee and a chance visit to a small billiard room forever changed his path.

With no formal instruction available in those days, Jerry learned the game the old-fashioned way: watching great players, asking questions, and running balls late into the night. Under the influence of straight-pool runners like Willis Covington, Jerry fell in love with the game’s precision and patterns. Yet even then, he noticed something missing—there was no true understanding of mechanics, no structured way to teach how to control the cue stick.

That realization would ultimately reshape the sport.

In this episode, Jerry reflects on his earliest memories, the post-war years, discovering pool in Milwaukee, and the environment that shaped his thinking long before he ever taught a lesson. You’ll hear how his analytical mind, combined with a deep respect for fundamentals, laid the groundwork for an instructional philosophy that would influence generations of players—including Mosconi Cup player and Captain Mark Wilson and countless champions worldwide.

Part one sets the stage for an extraordinary journey—from small-town beginnings to the foundation of modern pool education—told in Jerry Briesath’s own thoughtful, humorous, and insightful voice.

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"Legends of the Cue" is a pool history podcast featuring interviews with Pool Hall of Fame members, winners of major championships and other people of influence in and around pocket billiards. We also plan to highlight memorable pool brands, events and venues. Focusing on the positive aspects of the sport, we aim to create and provide an engaging and timeless repository of content that listeners can enjoy now and forever. Co-hosted by WPA and BCA Hall of Fame member Allison Fisher, Mosconi Cup player and captain Mark Wilson, our podcast focuses on telling the life stories of pool's greatest, in their voices. Join Allison, Mark and Mike Gonzalez for “Legends of the Cue.”

In this powerful and deeply human conclusion to our multi-part conversation, Pat Fleming reflects on a life spent giving more to the game of pool than he ever took from it. Known worldwide as the founder of Accu-Stats, Fleming opens the door to the values, decisions, and moments that shaped both his career and his character.

The episode begins with gratitude—gratitude for fans across generations who discovered pool history through his lens, and for a team so committed to the mission that they’d show up even without a paycheck. Pat speaks candidly about legacy: preserving moments so future players can see greatness, not just hear about it. For him, the joy has always been in sharing history with people who weren’t yet born when legends first ran racks.

We also hear stories that reveal the competitor behind the camera. Fleming recounts his own days as a formidable straight-pool player, including memorable battles with icons like Steve Mizerak—moments that remind us he didn’t just document excellence; he lived it. From there, the conversation turns delightfully personal, touching on skydiving mishaps, lifelong athletic curiosity, and his current passion for long-distance cycling—where, at 75, he’s still chasing records with a grin.

The final moments bring three signature questions that distill Pat’s philosophy. What would he tell his 20-year-old self? Why family matters more than any missed shot. And how does he want to be remembered? Simply: as someone who contributed, who wasn’t selfish, and who built something lasting.

It’s a fitting close to a remarkable life story—one defined by service, integrity, and an unwavering belief that preserving history matters. This is Pat Fleming, forever part of the fabric of the game, and now forever part of Legends of the Cue.

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"Legends of the Cue" is a pool history podcast featuring interviews with Pool Hall of Fame members, winners of major championships and other people of influence in and around pocket billiards. We also plan to highlight memorable pool brands, events and venues. Focusing on the positive aspects of the sport, we aim to create and provide an engaging and timeless repository of content that listeners can enjoy now and forever. Co-hosted by WPA and BCA Hall of Fame member Allison Fisher, Mosconi Cup player and captain Mark Wilson, our podcast focuses on telling the life stories of pool's greatest, in their voices. Join Allison, Mark and Mike Gonzalez for “Legends of the Cue.”

In Part III of our in-depth conversation with Pat Fleming, the Hall of Famer and founder of Accu-Stats pulls back the curtain on the pivotal chapter that reshaped both his life and the future of recorded pool history.

Pat walks us through the emotional and practical decision to separate Accu-Stats’ legendary video library from its production arm—a move born from personal loss, hard-earned perspective, and a desire to focus on what mattered most. The result? One of the great win-win stories in cue-sports history: nearly four decades of priceless matches preserved, monetized, and shared with fans worldwide, while Pat refocused his energy on producing world-class events like the International Open.

From there, the conversation shifts into the mechanics—and madness—of tournament production. Cameras, commentary booths, lighting rigs, graphics, audio teams, and a 40-person staff all come into play as Pat explains how Accu-Stats evolved from a single stationary camera into a full-scale broadcast operation, learned in real time, one necessity at a time.

This episode is also packed with unforgettable stories from the booth and beyond: capturing Efren Reyes’ iconic Z-Shot, perfectly timing the camera on Mike Sigel’s infamous cue-snap, and witnessing moments of brilliance, frustration, humor, and humanity that only live tournament coverage can deliver. Pat reflects on the commentators who brought matches to life, the unique chemistry of legendary broadcast pairings, and why sometimes the most controversial voices are also the most insightful.

Throughout it all, Pat’s perspective is clear-eyed and generous—an archivist’s respect for history paired with a promoter’s understanding of entertainment. It’s a masterclass in legacy, storytelling, and why preserving the game’s greatest moments matters just as much as creating new ones.

This is Pat Fleming at full stride: historian, innovator, and lifelong steward of the sport.

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"Legends of the Cue" is a pool history podcast featuring interviews with Pool Hall of Fame members, winners of major championships and other people of influence in and around pocket billiards. We also plan to highlight memorable pool brands, events and venues. Focusing on the positive aspects of the sport, we aim to create and provide an engaging and timeless repository of content that listeners can enjoy now and forever. Co-hosted by WPA and BCA Hall of Fame member Allison Fisher, Mosconi Cup player and captain Mark Wilson, our podcast focuses on telling the life stories of pool's greatest, in their voices. Join Allison, Mark and Mike Gonzalez for “Legends of the Cue.”

In Part 2 of our in-depth Legends of the Cue conversation with Hall of Famer and Accu-Stats founder Pat Fleming, we dive deeper into the ideas, inventions, and relentless curiosity that forever altered how the game of pool is played, studied, and preserved.

Pat takes us behind the scenes of Accu-Stats’ evolution—from single, stationary cameras and silent VHS tapes to groundbreaking commentary, moving cameras, and a production standard that reshaped the sport. He shares the unlikely story of how legendary voices like Billy Incardona, Grady Mathews and Danny DiLiberto helped create an entirely new viewing experience, turning raw match footage into something educational, entertaining, and timeless.

This episode also showcases Pat the inventor. Long before jump cues became commonplace, Pat was experimenting with short cues, counterweights, racks, and training aids—many of which laid the foundation for equipment players now take for granted. His philosophy is simple and profound: most ideas fail, but the few that stand the test of time can change the game.

A central theme of this episode is Pat’s lifelong devotion to statistics. Fleming explains why Total Performance Average (TPA) reveals far more about a player’s true skill than the final score ever could—and why understanding numbers is one of the fastest paths to improvement. As Mark Wilson and Allison Fisher note, Accu-Stats didn’t just record history; it taught generations of players how to think differently about winning pool.

The episode closes with a remarkable behind-the-scenes story involving the U.S. Open, Barry Behrman, and Matchroom—an example of Pat’s integrity, foresight, and commitment to the long-term health of the sport.

This is a masterclass in innovation, integrity, and passion—from one of pool’s true architects.

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"Legends of the Cue" is a pool history podcast featuring interviews with Pool Hall of Fame members, winners of major championships and other people of influence in and around pocket billiards. We also plan to highlight memorable pool brands, events and venues. Focusing on the positive aspects of the sport, we aim to create and provide an engaging and timeless repository of content that listeners can enjoy now and forever. Co-hosted by WPA and BCA Hall of Fame member Allison Fisher, Mosconi Cup player and captain Mark Wilson, our podcast focuses on telling the life stories of pool's greatest, in their voices. Join Allison, Mark and Mike Gonzalez for “Legends of the Cue.”

In this opening chapter of a multi-part Legends of the Cue conversation, we sit down with Pat Fleming—the meticulous mind whose lifelong obsession with numbers would ultimately reshape how the game of pool is measured, understood, and preserved.

Pat’s story begins far from television lights and world championships, in Paterson, New Jersey, where a young boy spent his days counting cars from a fire hydrant, tracking patterns, and recording results simply for the joy of understanding them. That instinct—to observe, measure, and learn—never left him. From Catholic school classrooms ruled by strict discipline, to a handmade toy pool table restored by his father, Pat’s early life forged both the discipline and curiosity that would later define his legacy.

Long before Accu-Stats, there was baseball—lots of it. Pat was a feared Little League slugger, an accomplished catcher, and a natural competitor who thrived against older, tougher opponents. But everything changed when a real cue tip entered his life. That small detail opened the door to pool rooms, straight pool marathons, and a fateful encounter with a seasoned professional that revealed both his raw talent—and the strategic depth of the game still waiting to be learned.

As Pat matured as a player, life accelerated. Marriage at 18, the unwavering support of his wife Diane, state titles, and deep runs against the very best in the world all followed. Yet the turning point came not with a victory—but with a loss. A third-place finish at the 1981 World Straight Pool Championship led Pat to buy a humble Radio Shack computer, unknowingly planting the seed for Accu-Stats.

This episode captures the foundations of a remarkable life: the habits, sacrifices, insights, and pivotal moments that turned a gifted player into the game’s greatest historian. It’s the beginning of a story that changed pool forever—and it starts here.

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"Legends of the Cue" is a pool history podcast featuring interviews with Pool Hall of Fame members, winners of major championships and other people of influence in and around pocket billiards. We also plan to highlight memorable pool brands, events and venues. Focusing on the positive aspects of the sport, we aim to create and provide an engaging and timeless repository of content that listeners can enjoy now and forever. Co-hosted by WPA and BCA Hall of Fame member Allison Fisher, Mosconi Cup player and captain Mark Wilson, our podcast focuses on telling the life stories of pool's greatest, in their voices. Join Allison, Mark and Mike Gonzalez for “Legends of the Cue.”