Peter and Jon go on a full-throated rant about "tapeworm companies", a term coined by Moses Kagan and adapted from Warren Buffett's original use of the phrase to describe healthcare costs.

Here it applies to SaaS tools like Dropbox, Adobe E-Sign, and JotForm: products that embed themselves so deeply into your operations that ripping them out feels impossible, even as prices keep climbing.

These companies bet you won't leave, and they've been right.

There is an upside of sorts. The switching costs have collapsed. What used to require a six-figure engineering effort can now be approximated with Claude Code, a GitHub repo, and an afternoon.

Jon and Peter also give their thoughts on sales frame control drawn from Oren Klaff's Pitch Anything (2011). Jon breaks down what a "frame" actually is (the invisible power structure that governs any sales interaction) and why operating inside someone else's frame almost guarantees you lose the deal.

Frames collide, and the stronger one always wins.

Jon shares field-tested tactics for reclaiming control, from showing up on time (not early), to small acts of defiance when a prospect tries to big-dog you. He's clear that none of it works unless it's authentic. You have to actually believe your time matters!

KEY TOPICS (01:26) Tapeworm Companies and Why Peter Is on the Warpath (05:12) The Heart Answer vs. the Head Answer on SaaS Pricing (12:33) Jon's Airtable Hack (14:58) Platform Cannibalization: When Google Becomes Everything (20:37) Sales Tips for Engineers: Introducing Frame Control (25:42) What Is a Frame? Power, Authority, and Who Controls the Room (37:12) Tool / Technique / Quote Round

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ChatGPT proved that AI could think with you. OpenClaw shows what happens when it can act for you.

Jon and Peter dig into this revolutionary AI that’s doing something fundamentally different. It’s not just answering questions, but taking action, remembering context, and is capable of orchestrating an entire digital life from a single text message.

Jon breaks down what makes OpenClaw tick: persistent memory that builds a picture of you over time, the ability to tap into multiple AI models on the fly, and a communication layer that meets you wherever you already live, from Telegram, Slack, iMessage, to even your Apple Watch.

He walks through real setups, from voice-note-to-response pipelines to automated workflows, showing just how close this thing is to functioning like a personal chief of staff.

But it’s not all smooth sailing.

Jon shares the tinkering he’s had to do to get it to work, such as the broken API keys, the late-night debugging, the token costs that spike when you forget to set a memory compression rule.

The tool is powerful, it’s fun, and it shows exactly where AI agents are headed. But it’s not plug-and-play. Not yet.

KEY TOPICS (05:00) What OpenClaw Actually Is (And Isn’t) (09:30) The Memory Layer: How It Learns and Remembers You (15:00) Security, Prompt Injection, and Keeping Your AI in Its Lane (16:00) The Communication Layer: Telegram, Slack, iMessage, and Beyond (20:00) The Downsides: Finicky, Expensive Mistakes, and Late Nights (31:11) Heartbeats and Cron Jobs: Teaching Your Agent to Be Proactive (39:00) Can It Operate Your Property Management Tools? (Yes, But…) (46:03) Jon Asks OpenClaw Questions on Telegram (53:29) What’s the Future of Notion, ClickUp, and AppFolio?

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Leadership isn't a title you inherit. It's a muscle you build through deliberate practice.

In this very special episode, Jon opens the doors to Sagan's Emerging Leaders meeting, a live session with Sagan team members that pulls back the curtain on how real leadership development happens in real time!

Struggling with feedback doesn't mean you're bad at leadership. It just means you haven't practiced enough yet.

Leadership is kind of like going to the gym. Nobody walks in on day one and expects to lift the heaviest weight. Yet too many emerging leaders treat their first fumbled feedback conversation or difficult personnel decision as evidence they don't have what it takes.

The team discusses the value of this recurring commitment. It's like taking classes on anything challenging. You dread seeing the next session on your calendar, but by the end, you're grateful you showed up. It’s important to normalize the discomfort of leading while emphasizing feedback flows in all directions: up, down, and across.

Key Topics: (01:46) The Two Ground Rules: No Multitasking & Psychological Safety (04:17) Leadership Training as "Eating Your Vegetables" (09:14) Why These Two Habits Alone Put You Ahead of Most Managers (14:57) You Are Responsible for Everything, But You Shouldn’t Do Everything (22:43) The Four-Step Feedback Framework in Action (28:27) Focus Is a Leadership Discipline (35:56) As a Leader, You Are Not Everyone’s Friend (45:23) Leadership Is Practice, Not Talent

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