Episode IntroductionMost lawyers are taught to stay on the path. Build the credentials, climb the ladder, collect the titles. But there’s another way, and sometimes it’s good to look outside the professional for a model. Chris Ito did all of that, and then walked away from every bit of it. In this episode, Jonathan Cullen sits down with his oldest friend, a Stanford and Google engineer turned chef and nonprofit leader, to talk about what it actually feels like to leave a life that looks great on paper but doesn't fit who you are. This isn't a story about quitting. It's a story about listening, about the signals your life keeps sending you, and what happens when you finally decide to follow them. If you've ever looked at the person above you and thought "I'm not sure I want that job," this episode is for you.Guest BioChris Ito is a former software engineer, Stanford graduate, and PhD in electrical and computer engineering who spent years at Google and Facebook in Silicon Valley before following a completely different calling. In 2021, he enrolled at the Culinary Institute of America in Napa, left tech, and became a chef. He also served as president of Hope's Corner, a nonprofit providing free meals and services to those in need in Mountain View, California. In 2024, Chris returned to Canada and became a food recovery chef at A Better Life Foundation in Vancouver, where the team recovers unwanted food from grocery stores and produces around 300 meals a day for people in need on the Downtown Eastside. Chris lives in North Vancouver with his wife and their two kids.Timestamps[00:00] - Opening: walking a high wire with no net[01:01] - Podcast intro and guest introduction[03:55] - A prescribed plan: medicine, engineering, & a rejection that opened it all[07:00] - Escaping the rails: how Chris navigated pressure to follow a prestigious track[09:55] - Stanford, Silicon Valley, and pulling on threads[13:20] - How to balance curiosity with focus[15:30] - Life in Silicon Valley: Google, satellites, and the moment Elon Musk walked in[20:45] - The Starlink decision: why Chris said no[23:30] - Google Home, factories in Vietnam, and a growing sense of misalignment[25:00] - "Be the hero of your own life": the David Copperfield moment[26:30] - From Google to Facebook's social impact team: moving toward the feeling[29:00] - Hope's Corner: volunteering with his son and planting a new seed[32:00] - The Culinary Institute of America: an Uber ride & a "why not now?"[36:00] - Going back to school at 44, surrounded by 24-year-olds[37:00] - Terror in a Michelin Star kitchen: the "show up today" post-it note[39:00] - "I don't know where I'm going, but I know exactly how to get there"[40:00] - The Elon Mansion to the Airstream trailer: moments of doubt[43:00] - When it takes too long to decide, you already know the answer[45:00] - Moving back to Canada: a glass of wine, a question, & a 9:34 PM phone call[52:30] - Finding A Better Life Foundation: the dinner that felt like a lightning bolt[57:30] - From dinner guest to volunteer to chef: how it all came together[1:01:00] - Service, mastery, and where real meaning lives[1:02:00] - For people who feel stuck: you don't have to make a dramatic change[1:08:00] - Showing your kids you can reinvent yourself[1:13:00] - Rapid fire questions[1:17:00] - Closing and call to actionKey TakeawaysDon't think about the safety net. Chris's philosophy is to walk the high wire without one. When you keep a fallback in mind, you're not fully committing, and you're not giving yourself the best shot.Signals are everywhere if you listen. What you read voluntarily, who you admire, how you feel when someone asks what you do. These aren't random. They're pointing somewhere.The path analogy: walk it as far as it goes, and when it ends or forks, turn. Time on one path is never wasted. You bring everything with you.If a decision is taking you weeks to make, you probably already know the answer. Your head is just trying to talk you out of what your heart already knows.You don't have to make a dramatic change. Dip a toe in. Volunteer. Take a class. Move toward the feeling in small steps. The universe tends to open up once you start moving.The body keeps score. It never lies. If something is out of alignment, your body will tell you before your mind catches up. Listen to the whisper before it becomes a pile of bricks.Showing your kids you can reinvent yourself is one of the most powerful things you can do as a parent. Chris's move, and Jonathan's own career shift, both landed with their kids without a single objection.The overlap of service and mastery is where real meaning lives. When you're giving your best skills to something that genuinely matters to you, that's where the magic is.LinksA Better Life Foundation - Chris's current home base in VancouverThe Lion Tracker's Guide to Life by Boyd Varty - Chris's top book recommendationFree Lawyer to Leader AssessmentIf this episode stuck with you, here's where ...
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