In this episode, I talk with Chantel Chapman, founder of the Trauma of Money Institute, about how trauma—both personal and systemic—profoundly shapes our relationship with money. Chantel shares her journey from financial literacy educator to developing the Trauma of Money after recognizing that traditional approaches couldn't address her own destructive money patterns rooted in childhood experiences. We explore capitalism as a traumatizing system, the concept of financial fawning, the importance of discernment over shame, and why healing our relationship with money requires addressing both our individual experiences and the broader economic context we live in. This conversation offers a compassionate, trauma-informed framework for understanding money behaviors that goes far deeper than budgeting advice.

• What trauma-sensitive approaches to money really mean
• How capitalism creates trauma through profit-over-everything values
• Chantel's journey from mortgage broker to creating the Trauma of Money
• Why Chantel trains professionals rather than working one-on-one
• Experimenting with reimagining capitalism through profit-sharing
• The acronym PAUSE: Perhaps An Unseen Solution Exists
• How any trauma can impact your relationship with money
• The difference between hedonic and eudaimonic approaches to wellbeing
• Why we need dopamine reset periods to get off the hedonic treadmill

Chantel Chapman is an International Bestselling Author—named to the USA Today Bestseller List and #1 on The Globe and Mail's Canadian Non-Fiction list—for her book The Trauma of Money (Wiley, September 2025). She is a trauma survivor, financial trauma educator, and the creator of the Trauma of Money (TOM) Method. Her journey through complex PTSD—and her realization that traditional financial literacy couldn't shift her own destructive money patterns—led her to uncover the profound link between trauma and financial behavior. In response, she spent years researching trauma, addiction, behavioral science, and economic systems to develop an innovative method for financial healing and empowerment.

Chantel is the founder and CEO of the Trauma of Money Institute, an internationally recognized certification program that has trained thousands of professionals across more than 22 countries. The TOM Method is reshaping how we understand money—not just as numbers, but as something deeply shaped by emotion, lived experience, and systemic forces. With over 20 years of experience in financial education and fintech consulting, Chantel has taught and written curricula or programming for institutions such as Humber College, Wilfrid Laurier University, Adler University, and Simon Fraser University, and has worked with organizations including United Way, YMCA, NDN Collective, the American Psychological Association, JP Morgan Chase, and YPO. She also serves on the National Task Force for Economic Justice, supporting CCFWE's mission to end financial abuse. A sought-after speaker and advisor on economic justice and trauma-sensitive practices, her work has been featured in The New York Times, Forbes, NPR, and The Globe and Mail. Chantel is a settler of European descent who works and resides on the stolen traditional lands of the Kwantlen (kwaant·luhn), Musqueam ("mus-kwee-um"), and Tswassen (saa·wa·sn) peoples.

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In this episode, I sit down with Dorcas Cheng-Tozun, author of "Social Justice for the Sensitive Soul," to talk about how highly sensitive people can engage in meaningful social justice work without burning out completely. Dorcas shares her own experiences with severe burnout in the nonprofit sector and how she learned to create sustainable rhythms of activism and rest, for herself and her family.

We explore the importance of changing our external settings rather than trying to change our sensitivity, the value of contemplative practices alongside active work, and how financial giving can be a meaningful form of social justice participation. This conversation offers both validation and practical wisdom for those of us who feel deeply about creating change while also needing to care for our wellbeing and saying not to martyrdom.

• Introduction to what it means to be a highly sensitive person in social justice work
• The invitation to change the settings around us rather than changing ourselves
• How giving 10% became a lifelong habit starting with $0.10 from a $1 allowance
• The importance of meaning in work for highly sensitive people
• Why sustainable activism requires balancing our best selves with our needs
• The culture of overwork in the nonprofit sector and its consequences
• The importance of collaborating with people who aren't highly sensitive
• Final reflections on the gift of sensitivity in social justice work

Dorcas Cheng-Tozun is an award-winning writer, editor, speaker, and social impact professional. She is the author of Start, Love, Repeat: How to Stay in Love with Your Entrepreneur in a Crazy Start-up World, Let There d.light: How One Social Enterprise Brought Solar Products to 100 Million People, and Social Justice for the Sensitive Soul: How to Change the World in Quiet Ways. She also has two published Bible studies on the topics of Migration and Mental Health. Her work has appeared in The Wall Street Journal, Christianity Today, Image Journal, and dozens of other publications in the US, Asia, and Africa. She recently served as a high school instructor of social innovation at Valley Christian Schools.

Dorcas has over twenty years of experience in the nonprofit and social enterprise sectors, working in the areas of community development, leadership development, affordable housing, and off-grid energy access. She served as the first director of communications for d.light, one of the world's leading social enterprises, and has provided communications consulting for social-benefit companies around the world. A Silicon Valley native, she has lived in mainland China, Hong Kong, and Nairobi, Kenya. She and her entrepreneur husband have been married for twenty years and have two sons.

Dorcas has a BA in communication and an MA in sociology from Stanford University, as well as a professional editing certificate from the University of California, Berkeley.

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Kaeri Schaefer brings us “collaborative understory medicine”—a root-cause, relational approach that treats symptoms as body communication. Today we cover Kaeri’s path from family medicine residency to functional medicine, bodywork, and somatic practice, and how this reshaped the way she supports “chatty” bodies (often highly sensitive nervous systems).

Throughout the episode we discuss how money and medicine intertwine—including the role of financial privilege, the tension with insurance, and what it took for Kaeri to launch a nonprofit clinic and later step away to practice more freely. We discuss practical somatic cues around money stress (chest, jaw, pelvic floor), how space and environment affect care (natural light and color matter), and why relationship—not hierarchy—creates safety and better outcomes. I’m grateful for Kaeri’s grounded wisdom and the gentle pace she models for truly listening to our bodies.

Kaeri Schaefer, MD is a healing provider integrating functional medicine, bodywork, and somatic practice. Trained at the University of Wisconsin and board-certified in Family Medicine, she blends clinical rigor with deep listening, describing her approach as “collaborative understory medicine.” Her additional training includes functional medicine through the Institute of Functional Medicine, craniosacral and osteopathic studies with Carol Gray and Christopher Frothingham, DO, and decolonial medicine coursework with Dra. Rocio Rosales Meza.

Kaeri’s work centers relational, consent-forward care and longer visits that allow the body’s communications—not just “symptoms”—to be heard. A mother of two, magical queer cis-womyn, and intuitive healer, she honors inner knowing and self-honoring action as pathways for personal and collective healing. She has led accessible care initiatives, including a nonprofit model committed to not turning anyone away, and now practices in a way that supports her clients—and herself—to feel grounded and radiant.

• Introducing “collaborative understory medicine”
• From “loud bodies” to “chatty” nervous systems
• Naming financial privilege and its impact on career choices
• Why 20 minutes isn’t enough: pace, safety, and trust
• Ditching “non-compliant” medical approaches to center consent and collaboration
• Moving beyond labels in medical care
• Somatics of finance: locating money stress in the body
• Reframing shame as systemic grief and longing for equity

#Somatics #FunctionalMedicine #IntegrativeMedicine #BodyCommunication #TraumaHealing #NervousSystem #MedicalBurnout #AccessibleCare #MindBodyConnection #FinancialWellness

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Taylor Gilbert brings us into an exploration of what happens when a medical social worker brings courage, clarity, and financial literacy into one conversation. Together we unpack how negative money messaging shows up in social work, how salary transparency and negotiation can shift outcomes, and why values-aligned investing matters when your life’s work is caring for others.

In this episode, our guest Taylor Gilbert and I also get into the practicals—her early $40K starting salary and six-figure loans, the pivot that launched her blog and podcast, and her current pursuit of CFP® coursework to pair money coaching with comprehensive planning. Highlights include: the moment HYSA changed her path, the real costs families face around death, a nuanced look at “income vs. outcome,” and concrete ways social workers can find lucrative, values-aligned roles. Diana also reflects on the care-first side of financial planning and why being well-resourced reduces burnout for helpers.

Taylor Gilbert is a Licensed Clinical Social Worker (LCSW), Certified Financial Social Worker (CFSW), and the creator of the award-nominated blog Social Work to Wealth. By day, she serves families in end-of-life settings, facilitating organ donation conversations across Oregon, SW Washington, and Western Idaho. Outside the hospital, Taylor translates complex financial topics into clear, compassionate guidance for social workers, blending career strategy with money education.

Her own money pivot began after discovering high-yield savings accounts in 2021. She and her husband totaled their debt at $277,721.41 and have since paid down $77,000, sharing the process publicly to reduce shame and increase transparency. Taylor’s platform has grown into a blog, newsletter, and podcast committed to salary transparency, negotiation, and expanding the map of lucrative, nontraditional career paths for social workers.

Now a financial planning student pursuing CFP® coursework, Taylor is building the skill set to support clients across cash flow, debt reduction, investing, and retirement—always through a values-aligned lens. Her mission is simple and radical: help social workers become financially well so they can sustain their calling and serve their communities without burning out.

• $40K income for first job as a Masters level Social Worker, with six-figure student loans
• Discovering High-Yield Savings Accounts and a new financial path
• Launching the Social Work to Wealth blog
• Money talk ripples through Taylor’s family
• The surprising costs around death and funerals
• Starting CFP® coursework: why planning skills matter
• Values-aligned investing for social workers
• Reframing the false trade-off between income and outcome
• Social work needs a rebrand around money
• From stress to relief: claiming agency over money

#SocialWorkToWealth #SocialWorkers #MoneyMindset #FinancialPlanning #CFP #ValuesBasedInvesting #DebtFreeJourney #SalaryTransparency #EndOfLifeSocialWork

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In this episode, our guest Emily Rose and I sit down for a spacious, values-led conversation about how scarcity shows up—in people-pleasing, and overachieving—and what it takes to repattern those reflexes in the body and mind. I introduce Emily’s work with women and femmes at key life thresholds and we explore her sliding-scale philosophy, the relief of not having to “justify” what you pay, and why nervous-system safety belongs at the center of money work. Emily also shares money imprints from her childhood and the mindset shift in her mid-20s that changed everything.

Emily names something many of us feel but rarely articulate: when money tightens, our bodies often rush ahead of our minds. Layer by layer, we trace how scarcity takes root—in family scripts, in the “morality” of doing money the “right” way, in systems that reward separation—and how it loosens when safety, relationship, and reciprocity come first.

Emily Rose walks beside women as they release scarcity, fear, and struggle, returning to what’s always been steady within them. Her practice weaves emotional alchemy, body-based healing, unconscious repatterning, and ritual to help clients move from survival into rest, belonging, and full self-expression.

Drawing from Buddhist meditation, witchcraft rituals, gardening, painting, and hands-on creativity, Emily integrates modalities like breathwork, Human Design, hypnosis, NLP coaching, parts integration, astrology, timeline therapy, somatic mapping, and energy work. A 4/6 Manifesting Generator, she moves at the pace of curiosity rather than pressure—meeting people where they are with sliding scales, scholarships, and pro bono support.

Emily writes Returning to the Well, a Substack of reflections, gentle teachings, and nature-rooted practice. In alignment with her values, a portion of her earnings supports causes such as the ACLU and WILD.

• Scarcity patterns: people-pleasing, perfectionism, overachieving
• Sliding scale, scholarships, and pro bono philosophy
• Donors funding access and livable practitioner pay
• Vipassana: a living example of gift economics
• Scarcity in capitalism vs. a culture of enough
• A values blueprint: from safety to global care
• Why avoiding debt is nervous-system care
• Childhood money stories and inherited scarcity
• Retirement as a self-employed person
• Spotting grasping and choosing neutral before acting

#EmilyRose #MoneyMindset #ScarcityToAbundance #SlidingScale #GiftEconomy #SomaticHealing #Breathwork #NLP #ValuesBasedBusiness #FinancialTherapy #Enoughness #CommunityCare

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My guest Lina Blount has us explore how people-powered movements change what’s politically possible—especially when traditional advocacy hits a wall. I introduce the show’s focus on the emotional, ethical, and practical sides of money, and Lina shares how a 2011 nonviolent direct-action training sparked her path from volunteer to EQAT’s Director of Strategy & Partnerships. We dig into why EQAT targets Vanguard, the world’s largest investor in fossil fuels, and how Quaker practice informs strategies that are both bold and grounded.

Lina Blount is an organizer, trainer, and nonviolent action strategist who leads as Director of Strategy & Partnerships at EQAT (Earth Quaker Action Team). After years of volunteering and serving on EQAT’s Board as co-clerk, she stepped into staff leadership to help shape campaign vision, build coalitions, and grow people power for climate justice.

Lina’s background includes work on the education team at Pendle Hill Quaker retreat and study center, organizing with the Divestment Student Network, and two years as a canvass director and anti-fracking organizer in Pennsylvania. She’s spent over a decade on environmental justice campaigns in the Philadelphia area, translating Quaker faith-in-action into clear strategy.

Originally from the Pacific Northwest, Lina grew up near Mount Rainier, the daughter of a civil engineer—an origin story that feeds her belief that material problems have material solutions. She now lives in West Philadelphia, where EQAT holds accountable one of the most powerful financial actors in its own backyard.

• Role at EQAT & episode intro
• Electrified by a 2011 training
• Four Roles of Social Change
• Why EQAT plays the Rebel
• Vanguard in EQAT’s backyard
• Shareholder advocacy stalls at Vanguard
• Quaker worship & a 300-person action
• Money Moving webinars: values first
• As You Sow fund screener & AFSC “Investigate” tool
• Divestment as sound fiduciary choice

#LinaBlount #EQAT #DivestFromVanguard #ClimateFinance #EthicalInvesting #Quaker #AsYouSow #FossilFree #ShareholderAdvocacy #PeoplePoweredMovements

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In this episode, our guest Genet “GG” Gimja and I explore the gap between what we believe and what our money is quietly doing in the world. We dig into practical shifts and big questions alike: how banks leverage our deposits , the tools that make values-aligned portfolios more doable, the trade-offs inside the so-called American Dream, and how identity and lived experience shape the way we earn, give, and steward resources. GG’s refugee roots and research-driven approach bring rigor and heart to the gray areas: private prisons hidden inside index funds, politicians funded by our favorite shops, portfolios that look “neutral” but aren’t. Along the way, we name the quiet signals that sensitive people notice first, and the practical boundaries that make sustained care possible.

Genet “GG” Gimja is the creator and host of Progressive Pockets, a podcast born in the fall of 2020 from a simple but urgent question: how do we use money to reflect our values? What began as a private, 8-episode show on giving quickly expanded when listeners asked about impact investing and ethical spending. GG realized “giving back” wasn’t the whole story—our retirement accounts, banks, and everyday purchases also carry real-world consequences.

Today, with 100+ concise, practical, sometimes funny episodes, GG examines the crossroads of social impact and personal finance—helping people align how they spend, donate, and invest with the world they want to help create. Her format often responds to listener letters, translating dense research into clear, doable steps without losing moral nuance.

Grounded in her Eritrean American background and refugee roots, GG brings a community-centered lens to money. She treats generosity as flow, looks squarely at systemic contradictions, and invites listeners to pair conscience with competence—moving from uneasy awareness to informed action.

• Welcome & how we met at FinCon
• Behind the scenes of a solo, research-driven show
• Co-organizing the Social Justice Meetup community
• The donate-with-one-hand, invest-against-values moment
• From skepticism to practical tools for values-aligned portfolios
• The “canary in the coal mine” and high sensitivity
• Refugee roots, the American Dream, and community trade-offs
• Abundance vs. debt and redefining wealth as stewardship
• Recognizing sensitivity: instantly spotting what people need
• From self-rejection to sustainable self-care

#ProgressivePockets #GenetGimja #ValuesAlignedMoney #ImpactInvesting #SocialJustice #Donations #EthicalSpending #PersonalFinance #MoneyAndMeaning

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Listen in to hear Morgan Curtis’ story from climate activism, to fossil fuel divestment, to working with her people - inheritors with class privilege. We explore motivation: how guilt can open the door but love sustains transformation. We get practical about the gift economy at Canticle Farm, unpack the “activist with a secret trust fund” archetype, and follow the path that led her to Harvard Divinity School—and eventually into university classrooms—to teach redistribution and repair.

As Morgan reflects on lineage and belonging, we keep asking what it means to turn privilege into relationships strong enough to change us. There’s a different kind of money conversation happening here—one that begins at a family archive and ends with a future imagined in community.

Morgan descends from early settler colonizers of what is now Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York and names how her family’s privileges are tied to stolen land, enslaved labor, and extractive industry. Politicized through the fossil fuel divestment movement, she spent eight years organizing and educating in climate and social justice spaces, where grief work, ritual, and storytelling became central to her approach.

Today, Morgan supports people with inherited wealth in moving toward redistribution, reparations, and ancestral repair. A long-time member of Canticle Farm (Oakland, CA), she practices gift economy, nonviolence, and restorative justice in community. She holds an MTS from Harvard Divinity School focused on the spiritual dimensions of reparations for white descendants of colonizers and enslavers, and is a graduate of the Academy for Coaching Excellence (ICF-aligned; 200+ training hours and 300+ supervised hours). Morgan is publicly redistributing 100% of her inherited wealth and 50% of her coaching income, is connected with Resource Generation and Solidaire Network, and authored the chapbook “Decolonial Dames of America.”

• Coaching inheritors toward repair
• Turning divestment inward— looking at the family portfolio
• The “activist with a secret trust fund” archetype
• The hidden costs of wealth: isolation and fear
• Ancestors & Money Cohort: research + ritual
• Land back: modeling change when politics feel bleak
• Beyond guilt: love as sustainable motivation
• Practicing the gift economy at Canticle Farm
• The spark for “Decolonial Dames of America”
• Transformation through collective healing and organizing

#MoneyCoaching #Redistribution #Reparations #AncestralHealing #GiftEconomy #LandBack #Divestment #ReparativeJustice

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Big Topics at Midnight by Nancy Thurston

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