On 28 January 2011, Hania was COO of HSBC Egypt. She woke up to find her country had no internet and no mobile phones. Every number on her crisis-team list was unreachable. So she picked up an old phone book.
For Episode 5, John, Tarek and Robin are joined by Hania for the inside story of running a bank through the Arab Spring and what came after. Robin knew the story from the regional COO seat in Dubai. This conversation has been twenty years in the making.
What you'll hear:
- The morning of 28 January 2011 - and the paper phonebook that saved the response
- "Emotional stability" - what one senior member of staff said that changed how Hania led
- Why the right person in a crisis is rarely the most senior person in the room
- How to keep the CEO and the regulator informed without crushing the team doing the work
- The queue outside head office that became the proudest moment of her career
- The CEO who came back from abroad and didn't believe his team had handled it
- "Don't waste a good crisis" - the post-event discipline that compounds across a career
Chapters:
00:00 Welcome and the three-host introduction
01:11 Robin introduces Hania
01:34 Hania on ten years as COO of HSBC Egypt
02:25 Tarek's first question
03:08 28 January 2011: no internet, no mobiles
04:40 Stay calm. Systems fail.
05:58 How do you stay calm when you're panicking?
06:55 "Emotional stability"
07:37 Choosing who is in the room
08:00 Why Hania went to the number two
09:33 The IT outage tension
11:05 Visibility and being seen
13:08 Priority communications
13:50 Cash, queues, and the ATM withdrawal limit
14:27 The queue she looked at with real pride
14:59 The HSBC brand
16:04 Call trees and earthquake-readiness
17:24 Did creativity play a part?
18:37 What you can prepare for
20:44 Drills are too easy
21:43 The Christmas Eve thought experiment
23:34 Bromley + Croydon: the Bank of America story
25:30 Working with the regulator
27:28 Managing up: the CEO came back suspicious
29:53 Seeing seismic risk early
30:43 The cost of having no one in-region
31:47 Recognising vs dispelling a crisis
33:30 Don't waste a good crisis
34:34 Crises that prolong, and team fatigue
34:55 John's recap
If you lead anything that has to keep running when the lights go out, this is the one.
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