Episode 13 of “Dead Giveaway” features a conversation with Kelli Smith, President and CEO of UMRC, Porter Hills Foundation.

From her transition from health services to a leadership role in philanthropy, Kelli shares the power of mentors, the importance of trust-building and her commitment to making a difference in aging services.

From law school to legacy-building, dive deep into the world of planned giving in the latest episode of "Dead Giveaway," featuring Andy Hibel, COO and co-founder of HigherEdJobs, and co-founder of the Hibel Family Foundation.

During a conversation with podcast host Matt Treadwell, discover how Andy's journey from law school to philanthropy led to his commitment mentoring the next generation of planned giving officers. Dedicated to expanding access to planned giving for future generations, Andy shares the insights and initiatives behind establishing access and training for future planned giving officers.

A must-listen for anyone interested in the world of fundraising and charitable giving, tune in for the invaluable lessons and advice that have shaped his career.

Host Matt Treadwell, Gift Planning Attorney at Indiana University Foundation and Adjunct Faculty at The Fund Raising School, is joined by Phil Purcell, Director of Planned Giving for Central Territory, Salvation Army. Explore Phil’s career in planned giving and nonprofit leadership through the pivotal moments and unexpected challenges to the rewarding successes that have defined his path. Whether you're a seasoned fundraiser or new to the sector, there's something in this conversation for everyone.