Episode 10 of the Crew One Podcast features Mike and Stephanie Grable, two longtime Ohio residents who have gone from high school football, family life and ordinary careers to becoming active voices in the UFO disclosure movement.
Mike and Stephanie are leaders with Citizens for Disclosure, connected with the New Paradigm Institute, and organizers of the Dayton UFO Conference near Wright-Patterson Air Force Base — one of the most historically significant locations in the American UFO story.
In this conversation, we cover a lot of ground.
We start with Wright-Patterson, Roswell and the long-running claims that recovered material — and possibly bodies — from the 1947 Roswell incident eventually made their way to Dayton. Mike discusses the research of Stanton Friedman, Donald Schmitt and longtime Wright-Patterson engineer and UFO researcher Ray Szymanski, along with the unique scientific and materials-research role Wright-Patterson has played for decades.
But this episode quickly becomes much more personal.
Stephanie shares an experience from childhood when, on Christmas Eve, she saw a bright red ball of light shoot across a dark rural road and disappear into the woods — something she interpreted at six years old as Rudolph and Santa Claus.
Mike then tells a much more unsettling story from his own childhood.
At around four or five years old, Mike remembers waking up to what he describes as a human-sized but nonhuman being standing at the foot of his bed and grabbing his ankle. He remembers being terrified and pleading for his life. Decades later, after reconsidering the experience through the lens of the UFO/contact phenomenon, Mike called his mother and asked whether he had ever told her about something coming into his room.
Her response shocked both Mike and Stephanie.
According to Mike, his mother told him that as a child he had repeatedly talked about people, creatures or beings coming to the side of his bed — memories Mike says he no longer had.
From there, we get into the possibility that anomalous experiences may run through families, why so many experiencers stay silent, and why people often begin connecting UFO encounters with paranormal experiences, consciousness, dreams, meditation and other forms of high strangeness.
Stephanie discusses meditation, vivid waking visions, “downloads,” orbs, paranormal encounters and how these experiences have changed the way she looks at other people, consciousness and the nature of reality.
We also dig into religion.
Mike explains how rereading the Old Testament, studying ancient civilizations and examining stories involving the Nephilim, angels and beings from the sky caused him to reconsider some traditional religious interpretations. We talk about whether ancient people may have described extraordinary encounters using the only language available to them — and whether modern humanity might now call those same kinds of beings extraterrestrial, interdimensional or nonhuman intelligence.
Do UFO disclosure and Christianity have to be mutually exclusive?
What happens to religion if we learn that humanity is not alone?
And are people really prepared for the psychological and spiritual consequences of disclosure?
One of the biggest questions in this conversation becomes: If nonhuman intelligence is real and has been interacting with humanity, what happens next?
We also talk about CE5, collective intention, remote viewing, consciousness, the future of UFO journalism — and, naturally, UFOs, football, BBQ and bourbon.
This is exactly the kind of conversation Crew One was created for.
You don’t have to believe every claim. You don’t have to agree with every interpretation. You don’t even have to agree on what the phenomenon is.
But we should be able to talk about it.
Because if any meaningful part of this is real, the next question may be much bigger than “Are UFOs real?”
It may be:
What does humanity do now?