Marcus and Esme dive into one of the most misunderstood—and emotionally loaded—topics in mental health: going no contact. What is it? Why do people do it? And why is everyone from Oprah to your uncle suddenly talking about it like it’s a generational crisis?

Esme opens up about her own experiences, while she and Marcus break down the difference between self‑isolation and no contact, explore the many forms it can take (from low contact to gray rocking), and unpack the cultural baggage that makes this boundary-setting choice so controversial.

Sources for this episode include:

• Guy-Evans, Olivia. “Going No Contact With Parents: What It Means, Why People Do It, and How to Cope.” Simply Psychology, updated 28 July 2025, https://www.simplypsychology.org/going-no-contact-with-parents.html.
• Childs, Chivonna. “What It Means to Go No‑Contact With a Parent.” Cleveland Clinic Health Essentials, Cleveland Clinic, https://health.clevelandclinic.org/going-no-contact-with-parents.
• DoctorRamani. What to Expect When You Go No Contact with Your Narcissistic Parent. YouTube, uploaded by DoctorRamani, 8 months ago, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBHxgx-f2A0.
• No Two Children Have the Same Parents. YouTube, uploaded by Now Owned and Operated by Child Health BC (Formerly KidCareCanada), 12 years ago, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbXqSEkwOPo.

Resources referenced in this episode:

• The National Domestic Violence Hotline
  • Online: https://www.thehotline.org/
  • Call: 1.800.799.SAFE(7233)
  • Text: Text “Start” to 88788.

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In this week’s Hyperfocus Bonus, Marcus and Esme tell the story of Milli Vanilli, a R&B/Eurodance duo who took the world by storm in the late 80s/early 90s, only to lose it all when it was revealed they couldn’t actually sing. Is it a tale of avarice and deception, or a parable about the importance of proportionate accountability? Oh, wait. I’m just now reading the title. Got it – it’s the second one. You should still listen to it, though.

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In this episode, Marcus and Esme scratch the surface of AI’s impact on mental health: the wedge of isolation it’s driving between individuals (particularly children) and their families/friends in the name of engagement; the impact of its parroted empathy; its unregulated pervasiveness in our culture; and the risks it poses as a possible “tool” in the mental health space. They reflect on their own past mental health crises, and posit how this technology (had it existed or been engaged with) could have easily fed their worst thoughts. Finally, thoughts on protections and regulations, and how to monitor and discuss use of these “tools” with our kids. Buckle up – deep breaths needed for this one, folks.

Trigger warning: This episode contains references to suicide and suicidal ideation—listener discretion is advised.

If you or someone you love is dealing with these issues, please know that hope and help is available.

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Sources for this episode include:

• Orgvue. “55% of Businesses Admit Wrong Decisions in Making Employees Redundant When Bringing AI into the Workforce.” Orgvue, 29 Apr. 2025, https://www.orgvue.com/news/55-of-businesses-admit-wrong-decisions-in-making-employees-redundant-when-bringing-ai-into-the-workforce.
• “Is A.I. a Bubble?” The New York Times, 27 Oct. 2025, https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/27/briefing/is-ai-a-bubble.html.
• Chatterjee, Rhitu. “Their Teenage Sons Died by Suicide. Now, They Are Sounding an Alarm about AI Chatbots.” NPR, 19 Sept. 2025, https://www.npr.org/sections/shots-health-news/2025/09/19/nx-s1-5545749/ai-chatbots-safety-openai-meta-characterai-teens-suicide.
• “Exploring the Dangers of AI in Mental Health Care.” Stanford Institute for Human-Centered Artificial Intelligence (HAI), https://hai.stanford.edu/news/exploring-the-dangers-of-ai-in-mental-health-care.
• Trachman, Susan B. “The Hidden Dangers of AI-Driven Mental Health Care.” Psychology Today, 2 Jan. 2026, https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/its-not-just-in-your-head/202601/the-hidden-dangers-of-ai-driven-mental-health-care.

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In this week’s much delayed Hyperfocus Bonus, Esme is out with a stomach bug, and Marcus details his heroic efforts tending to his sickly wife and daughter. He also proposes a simple solution for freeing up some of the federal funding needed to create a better health care system.

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While the future is unknown, one thing seems pretty clear - 2026 is going to be a weird, wild, and, quite possibly, very stupid year. To help them manage their own anxious feelings about the near future, Marcus and Esme decided to practice some “positive anticipation” strategies in an effort to have some things to look forward to in 2026. They also share some tips and tricks that can help you identify your own list of things to look forward to this year.

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Sources for this episode include:

• Vilhauer, Jennice. “Finding Joy: How Positive Anticipation Boosts Your Happiness.” Psychology Today, 25 Oct. 2024, https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/living-forward/202405/finding-joy-how-positive-anticipation-boosts-your-happiness.
• Vilhauer, Jennice. “Finding Joy: How Positive Anticipation Boosts Your Happiness.” Psychology Today, 25 Oct. 2024, https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/living-forward/202405/finding-joy-how-positive-anticipation-boosts-your-happiness.

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In this week's episode, Marcus and Esme celebrate the holiday season by replaying a holiday -themed fan favorite from earlier in the year (episode 9: Gratitude, but not in a woo-woo kind of way). They also share some updates and issue a few corrections related to last Friday’s episode. Are the updates related to biker-gang activity in Delco during the 70s? There’s only one way to find out.

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In this week’s Hyperfocus Bonus, Marcus and Esme pay tribute to Rob Reiner. They discuss how unfortunate it is that we often don’t take time to appreciate the impact some artists have on us while they’re still alive, and they reflect upon how the peak of Reiner’s career aligned so perfectly with their formative years.

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It’s time for another Movie Night! Marcus and Esme, having recently rewatched the romantic-ish comedy Punch-Drunk Love (2002), sit down to discuss its depiction of mental illness and social anxiety. They also attempt to answer the question, “What happens when a fancy pants director (Paul Thomas Anderson – Magnolia, There Will Be Blood, One Battle After Another) joins forces with an actor (Adam Sandler) who, at the time, seemed better suited to roles that required him to scream gibberish at Bradley Whitford and get into a fist fight with Bob Barker?” Not to give too much away, but . . . the answer is a really good depiction of what it feels like to live with chronic anxiety.

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