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In this episode we are joined by a very special guest, historian of Islam Yusuf Tayara, to talk about how the Abraham story spun off into all kinds of intriguing directions in the centuries following the bible.

We start off with a mysterious prophecy from Isaiah in the Old Testament, which seems to rebuke the Arabs for lacking hospitality towards some unspecified wanderers in the desert. We then proceed to a Jewish interpretation of this prophecy in the Talmud, which puts us square into BAD COUSINS territory by specifying that the spurned guests of the Arabs were Jewish priests. Being inhospitable is always bad, but treating cousins this way, of course, is particularly heinous!

Our next stop is deeper in Arabia, with the rise of Islam and the place of Abraham in its holiest text, the Qur’an. Through Ishmael and his descendant, the Prophet Muhammad, Abraham is the genealogical father of Arabs/Muslims, but here we once again see him also playing another role: as a universal symbol of monotheism.

From here, the plot thickens with a really strange medieval Jewish legend, in which Abraham meddles in Ishmael’s marital life in a way that seems to also be a commentary on the growing rifts between Shiites and Sunnis within Islam!

We love all our podcast children, but this was an especially fun one. It gets dark at times, as usual for us, but we also really bonded with Yusuf over the political possibilities of turning the “community of disagreement” over Abraham’s legacy into a force for solidarity, justice and peace. In these dark times, we need stuff like that.

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"With my brother against my cousin, with my first cousin against my second cousin, with my second cousin against my third cousin..."

In episode 3 of BAD COUSINS, we go deeper into the question, Why are the Abraham Accords named after Abraham?

Because for all the peace and common understanding that politicians in Israel, the USA, and the UAE claim the Abraham Accords stand for, there's an awful lot of conflict, violence, and exclusion in the story of Abraham, Hagar, Sarah, Isaac, and Ishmael.

In this episode, Ben and Matan go through the Abraham story from the Hebrew Bible, analyzing the main characters and their actions. (BTW - Matan made a very helpful family chart that we put up on our website and Instagram.)

Then, Matan gets into the political anthropology of kinship with guest Naor Ben-Yehoyada. Why is it that thinking of Arabs and Jews as cousins - at first glance, a friendly gesture - seems only to perpetuate exclusion, exploitation and hostility? What does it matter that these cousins are of a particular kind - the patrilineal kind? And what kind of political work are these weird old stories doing in the present, in the Middle East and (as always) beyond?

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It's been five years since the signing of these Accords and Donald Trump still can't shut up about AHB-ra-hahm. Neither can we, but it's really not just us and Trump who are obsessed. To prove the point, we went into the world’s most heavily militarized religious theme park, also known as the Old City of Jerusalem and asked some locals - both Palestinian Arabs and Jewish Israelis - to explain to us why the Abraham Accords are named after Abraham.

As you would certainly expect if you’ve listened to Episode 1, Palestinians were extremely critical of the Accords while Israelis were mostly quite jazzed about them. But despite this clear disparity, everybody had the same answer to our main question: the accords are named after Abraham because he’s the grandfather of the Jews and the Arabs, which makes us cousins. Of course what that means is up for interpretation, but the basic identification was a constant.

All this wouldn’t be worth demonstrating if this podcast was in Arabic or Hebrew. But it’s in English and it’s pitched at a European and North American audience, for which this is far from obvious. As we also discuss in this episode, outside the Middle East, Abraham is usually understood in a very different way, not as a literal genealogical grandfather but as more of a symbolic progenitor, and not only of Judaism and Islam but also of Christianity.

So if you think you’re observing this drama of ancient, unfathomable familial hatreds from the outside, think again. You’re in it. With Ted Cruz and Tucker Carlson. Let that sink in.

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What are the Abraham Accords? There was a lot of hyperbole going around when they were signed in Washington DC in September 2020, and the dust hasn’t really settled since. What’s clear is that the promise of regional peace that the Accords were supposed to bring has not - to put it mildly - come to pass.

Rather the opposite, in fact. Everyone from Yahya Sinwar to Jordan Peterson seem to agree that it was the Abraham Accords, and particularly the threat that they would be extended to Saudi Arabia, that set off the Hamas attack of October 7th 2023. That attack led to Israel’s brutal destruction of Gaza, and though at this moment there’s a ceasefire - we pray it holds - the Middle East is very far from peace indeed, Donald Trump’s comments notwithstanding.

In this episode, Ben and Matan talk to political scientist Dana El-Kurd about what the Abraham Accords actually are, and why they are such a disaster for the Palestinians and ordinary people throughout the Arab world. She makes the point that the Abraham Accords formalize shared interests across the region, interests which oppose the Palestinians’ demand for national independence and the desire of people throughout the region for democratic self-rule.

Dana El Kurd is an assistant professor at the University of Richmond in the Department of Political Science, and a senior nonresident fellow at the Arab Center Washington. She specializes in Palestinian and Arab politics, particularly on topics related to mobilization, public opinion, and international intervention.

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BAD COUSINS is produced by Ben Schuman-Stoler, Matan Kaminer, and LABA fellow Guli Dolev-Hashiloni. It's published by Kollo Media in partnership with The Diasporist. Music and theme song by Adam Maor.

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