Jeff sits down with therapist Lindsay Taylor of Hope Springs Counseling in Alabama for a wide-ranging, honest conversation about the inner world of Enneagram Ones—especially what it takes to stay grounded when everything feels like it’s on fire. Together, they explore the One’s visceral experience of brokenness, the exhausting question of “what is mine to do,” and why the Serenity Prayer keeps showing up as a lifeline.

Along the way they unpack autonomy, boundaries, grief disguised as anger, the temptation to escape into “future-fixing”, and why past-work can feel both threatening and essential—less about reliving pain and more about gaining compassion, clarity, and a fuller relationship to time (past, present, and future).

You can connect with Lindsay at : www.HopeSpringsCounseling.net

Y’all, this one is REALLY GOOD. In the first half we talk typical 6 stuff: counter phobic vs phobic, reading other people’s emotions, etc. But in the second half, we get into some new stuff and it’s one of my favorite episodes to date.

There are a few seconds of audio issues around the 47 minute mark (we had some technical problems during recording), but hopefully you all can still understand!

Find Hunter Mobley’s book here

In this exchange, Kristin and Joey explore how differently the types move through the world—especially around communication, authority, affirmation, and intensity. They also examine crisis strengths, autonomy, vulnerability, and the common mistyping of bold people.

The discussion broadens into themes of parenting, growth, and self-awareness. Joey reflects on raising children with an understanding of stance and wiring, while Kristin speaks candidly about discovering her own fear and authority patterns later in life. Together, they emphasize that the Enneagram doesn’t change hardwiring—but it can transform how we relate, how we repair, and how we take responsibility for the impact we have on others.

Links

Inside Story episode (Apple): HERE

Kristin Messegee's Coaching: HERE

All Joey Schewee's work at WE Solutions: HERE

Joey's Upcoming book: "When Working Together Doesn't Work" : HERE

Jeff sits down with grief expert and Enneagram guide Mandy Capehart to unpack what national grief really feels like — not just personal sorrow, but the deep cultural distress many Americans carry today.

Together they explore the emotional impact of polarized culture, lost shared reality, and fear-driven responses in our relationships and communities. Mandy offers insight into how regulation, one-on-one connection, and lived values can help us navigate overwhelm and reclaim humanity in a fractured world.

If you’ve felt disillusioned, scared, or unsure how to engage with big problems without burning out, this episode invites you into deeper awareness, compassionate action, and hope rooted in connection — not just outrage.

About Mandy & Where to Listen:

This episode features Restorative Grief with Mandy Capehart – Podcast Page, a show that explores grief in all its forms — from loss of loved ones to life transitions, identity shifts, and the heartbreak of unsolved cultural pain.

👉 Listen to Restorative Grief on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite player for compassionate stories and practical tools for navigating grief and growth.

Connect with Mandy:

1. Website: mandycapehart.com
2. Instagram: @mandycapehart

In this episode, Katie talks with a local friend about all things 6. We discuss why some 6s might mistype as 4s or 8s, what rebellion looks like and why 6s do it, procrastination, and much more!

Find Ava's interior design account here: https://www.instagram.com/rose_junction_/

Coaching for Enneagram Sixes with Kristin : HERE

Pick up Joey Schewee's new book : HERE

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On this episode of Inside Story, host Kristin Messegee sits down with Enneagram teacher and workplace consultant Joey Schewee for a candid, surprisingly personal conversation about what it’s actually like to live inside Type Eight.

Joey opens with her upcoming book, When Working Together Doesn’t Work—a guide born from 17 years of consulting and leading teams—and then Kristen pivots into the heart of the episode: Eight confidence, intensity, and the misunderstood inner world beneath the “big presence.” Joey challenges common stereotypes (and mistypes), reframes Eight “reactivity” as fast-moving anger that clears quickly, and names the real fuel behind Eight conflict: injustice, low effort, and compromised integrity.

Together they explore the push-pull between autonomy and connection, why Eights often feel uncomfortable when attention turns toward them, and how “wanting” energy from others can feel intrusive—especially when it isn’t grounded in authenticity. Joey also shares what changed after facing something she couldn’t control, how anger can cover tenderness, and why gut types may be the most intuitive in the system.

Again, Joey’s book When Working Together Doesn’t Work is available for pre-order now on Amazon and releases in March, and you can get it : HERE .

In this conversation, Jeff Cook sits down with Milton Stewart—an Enneagram Seven, business leader, and President of the International Enneagram Association (IEA)—for a wide-ranging look at where the Enneagram stands right now and where it’s headed next. Milton shares what the IEA exists to protect: integrity, ethics, and responsible teaching, along with a growing commitment to global community and cross-cultural nuance. They talk about the rise (and fading) of Enneagram “buzz” on social media, the expanding push for scientific credibility, and the difference between trendy typing and real transformation.

Milton also tells his personal Enneagram origin story (including his early “mistype everybody I know” phase), how the tool shaped his work in under-resourced education settings, and what it’s like to learn from teachers whose presenceteaches as much as their content. The conversation lands on a core theme: the work—and Milton names two practices that keep it real no matter how much you’ve learned: humility and presence. If you’ve ever wanted a bigger-picture view of the Enneagram world—especially beyond American culture—this one will widen your lens and deepen your hope.

1. Milton’s website: https://kaizencareers.com
2. Milton’s podcast: Do It For The Gram: Enneagram Podcast
3. International Enneagram Association (IEA): https://internationalenneagram.org
4. IEA Events (“Nine Points”): https://internationalenneagram.org → Nine Points (events posted by accredited professionals)

In this Early Access episode, Katie Whitlock welcomes Imogen, a 24-year-old from Shanghai, China.

Imogen shares how she found the Enneagram through a friend, why she identifies as a Five without tests, and how “avarice” shows up as a fierce protection of time, energy, space, and purpose.

Together they explore the Five’s impulse to offer information as a form of connection, the tension between deep internal emotion and discomfort with outward emotional exchange, and the relief that comes when the Enneagram gives a framework for accepting difference.