Leadership thinker and author Digby Scott joins Zoë Routh for a deep, reflective conversation on leadership transitions, success, and what it truly means to matter.

As leaders move into later stages of their careers, familiar formulas begin to lose their power. Hustle becomes exhausting. Achievement feels hollow. The question shifts from What more can I do? to How do I contribute differently now?

Drawing on decades of leadership experience, Digby explores the shift from ego to eco, from hero leadership to host leadership, and from achievement to contentment. Together, Zoë and Digby unpack how mature leaders can create leader-full, resilient organizations and meaningful lives, without clinging to authority, identity, or legacy.

Key Quotes

"Much of what got me here won't get me where I need to go next." - Digby Scott

"Leadership matures when we move from ego to eco, from focusing on ourselves to stewarding the whole system." - Digby Scott

"Don't try to create a legacy. Do good work, and let what lasts take care of itself." - Digby Scott

"Success later in life is less about achievement and more about contentment." - Digby Scott

"Practice is the path. You don't need to know where it leads, only that you can take the next step." - Zoë Routh

Questions Asked

• What does success really mean at this stage of my leadership journey?
• How do I know when it's time to step back, step aside, or step in differently?
• Am I leading in ways that create dependency or resilience?
• How do I move from being the hero to becoming the host?
• What does "mattering" look like when titles and authority fall away?
• Which of my daily choices enlarge my life and which diminish it?

Take Action

Identify one responsibility you can intentionally hand over to grow someone else's leadership.

Shift one focus this week from doing the work to creating the conditions for others to thrive.

Reduce one thing, urgency, obligation, or noise and notice what space it creates.

Key Moments

00:00 Introduction and the Question of What's Next
00:42 Meet Digby Scott
01:42 The Big Questions Facing Mature Leaders
03:17 Redefining Success and Legacy
06:05 From Hero Leadership to Host Leadership
11:52 Reflective Practice and Organizational Culture
16:59 Ego, Responsibility, and Power
32:47 Mattering and Meaning
37:01 Ego vs. Eco
39:26 Contentment Over Achievement
46:17 Reflective Questions for Leaders
49:06 Fast Three Questions
56:23 Final Reflections

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In this solo reflection, Zoë Routh explores leadership and what it means to live a life well lived, inspired by This One Wild and Precious Life by Sarah Wilson and Mary Oliver's The Summer Day.

Against a backdrop of ecological, political, and personal uncertainty, Zoe reflects on languishing, disconnection, and the chrysalis moments of change. Drawing on minimalist living, nature, art, spirituality, and everyday activism, she invites leaders to slow down, pay attention, and ask what truly enlarges their lives.

Ultimately, this episode asks a simple but profound question:

What will you do with your one wild and precious life?

"Practice is the path. You don't need to know where it leads, only that you can take the next step." - Zoë Routh

"What makes a life worth living will be different for each of us." - Zoë Routh

"The question isn't 'Am I doing this right?' but 'Does this choice enlarge or diminish my life?'" - quotes from Sarah Wilson's book, This One Wild and Precious Life

1. What does a life well lived mean for me at this stage of my leadership journey?

2. Where am I languishing and what might be quietly emerging beneath it?

3. What is time well spent, really?

4. Which of my daily choices enlarge my life, and which diminish it?

5. What practices help me feel more connected, to myself, others, and the world?

1. Choose one small practice that helps you slow down and pay attention, walking, journaling, reading poetry, or time in nature.

2. Apply the filter: Does this choice enlarge or diminish? Use it for decisions big and small this week.

3. Reduce one thing. consumption, noise, or obligation and notice what space it creates.

Key Moments

Leadership thinker and author Dan Pontefract joins Zoë to explore the demographic forces reshaping the future of work. With ageing populations and declining birth rates, the question is simple: are organisations ready?

Drawing on The Future of Work Is Gray, Dan reframes ageing as a strategic advantage, not a liability. The conversation explores ageism, longevity, and outdated career ladders, offering practical alternatives like phased retirement, career "canvases," and new ways to value experience at work.

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Key Quotes

"Demographics isn't ideology, it's just math." - Dan Pontefract
"The future of work isn't a ladder. It's a canvas." - Dan Pontefract
"We're living longer, but our systems haven't caught up." - Dan Pontefract
"Aging is not the problem. Ignoring it is." - Zoë Routh

Questions Asked

• What does declining fertility mean for the future of work and leadership?
• Why are organisations unprepared for an ageing workforce?
• How does ageism quietly drain experience and wisdom from organisations?
• What are Rivers, Rocks, and Rubies and why are generations the wrong lens?
• How can leaders redesign careers for longevity, not burnout?
• What responsibility do organisations have beyond short-term profit?

Take Action

Audit Your Workforce: Look at your age profile and succession plans, where are you exposed?
Redesign Careers: Move beyond ladders toward flexible, contribution-based career paths.
Value Wisdom: Create formal roles for mentoring, knowledge transfer, and phased transitions.

Key Moments

00:00 Introduction and Weekly Question
00:59 Demographic Pressure and Aging Population
02:39 The Future of Work Is Gray
03:49 Demographic Apocalypse and Age Debt
07:26 Ageism and Organisational Blind Spots
17:18 Technology, Automation, and Workforce Gaps
24:19 Grandparental Leave and New Work Models
28:10 From Career Ladders to Career Canvases
30:59 Rivers, Rocks, and Rubies Explained
34:29 The Longevity Lens
37:08 Fast Three Questions
40:35 Final Reflections and Hope for the Future

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