Virtual learning didn’t start as a tech experiment. It started as a capacity and access solution.

In this conversation, Julie Young traces the early design logic behind Florida Virtual School—what problems it was built to solve in the mid-1990s, and what that origin story still reveals about rigor, relationships, student identity, and how to design learning systems that scale.

You’ll hear why the mission was never “deliver online,” but break the capacity ceiling—especially in places where schools couldn’t staff courses, couldn’t afford expansion, or literally didn’t have rooms to add sections.

Key Ideas and Moments

1) “Virtual delivery was the means, not the mission.”

Julie frames FLVS as a response to overcrowding, teacher shortages, and unequal course access—not a fascination with the internet.

2) The AP “try it with a safety net” design

An early innovation: students could attempt AP coursework while having a built-in path back without public shame, sometimes even with the same teacher—reducing fear of failure and expanding who even tries advanced courses.

3) Why some students “become a different person” online

Julie describes how virtual learning can enable students who were failing or labeled in traditional settings to succeed because:

• they can move faster or slower without an audience,
• teachers can give more individualized attention,
• relationships can be built deliberately,
• bullying/social status pressures are reduced.

4) Relationship-building as an operational system, not a vibe

Early FLVS practice emphasized front-loading relationship-building: extended calls, deep parent conversations, learning student voice through writing, and using that baseline for both instruction and academic integrity (in an era before tools like Turnitin).

5) The parent’s role: support pace, don’t replace the teacher

Julie is explicit that FLVS was designed with teachers responsible for learning, and parents as partners for pace, communication, and context—not as the primary instructor.

6) What online makes possible in K–12 ↔ college pathways

From ASU Prep Digital, Julie shares how online models remove “physical campus” and age-related barriers in dual enrollment—making authentic college coursework possible even for unusually accelerated middle school students.

7) Why she wrote the book now

Julie’s book aims to capture 30 years of policy, research, mistakes, and breakthroughs—the “drama and trauma” of building an industry that many newer educators only encountered through the distorted lens of 2020.

Who This Episode Is For

• Policy and system leaders shaping virtual/hybrid strategy
• District and school leaders designing scalable online programs
• Instructional designers and program operators trying to make relationships reliable at scale
• Anyone tired of pandemic-era assumptions substituting for real history

Links & References

• Julie Young Education - https://www.julieyoungeducation.com/
• Julie's new book Virtual Schools, Actual Learning: Digital Education in America (with Julie Peterson and Kay Johnson)
• Florida Virtual School - https://www.flvs.net/
• Center for Interactive Learning and Collaboration - https://www.cilc.org/
• Learn more about Banyan Global Learning: https://www.banyangloballearning.com

How do you know if your virtual program is actually high quality—without reducing it to a checklist?

Dr. Chris Harrington returns to the podcast to share how he’s building the Virtual Learning Accelerator: a human-centered system that helps leaders assess program quality, translate results into priorities, and support teachers over time—without outsourcing professional judgment to AI.

What you’ll get from this episode

• A clear way to think about quality as a system, not a tool or a single role
• How standards-aligned self-assessment becomes useful instead of performative
• Practical guardrails for using AI to speed up improvement without distorting it
• A sustainable model for improving virtual programs year over year

Key moments

• 00:01–02:05 — Why the quality question matters now
• 02:20–07:30 — The Virtual Learning Accelerator: coaching, assessment, and PD as one system
• 09:46–14:45 — How the needs assessment works (14 standards, ~45–60 minutes, instant report)
• 15:45–18:45 — Why the AI launch was delayed: tightening rubrics and recommendations
• 21:03–26:40 — Turning scores into action: why coaching is the translation layer
• 28:30–36:10 — Supporting teachers at scale: micro-courses aligned to online teaching standards
• 37:00–40:10 — Revisiting “Why Distance Learning?”: the shift from access to quality

Links

• Virtual Learning Accelerator: digitallearningworks.org
• EmpowerED Research Institute: empoweredresearch.org
• National Standards for Quality Online Learning: nsqol.org

Host Links

1. Discover more virtual learning opportunities at CILC.org with hosts Tami Moehring and Allyson Mitchell.
2. Seth Fleischauer’s Banyan Global Learning combines live virtual field trips with international student collaborations for a unique K12 global learning experience. See https://banyangloballearning.com/global-learning-live/

Distance learning doesn’t fail because of tools—it falters when leadership, policy, and systems don’t align around student success. In this episode, Seth Fleischauer and Allyson Mitchell sit down with Dr. Alexandra Salas, founder and CEO of the Delmarva Digital Learning Association, to unpack what institutional readiness for digital learning actually requires.

Drawing on her experience in higher education leadership, instructional design, and nonprofit systems change, Dr. Salas challenges the idea that digital learning is merely a delivery mode. Instead, she frames it as a connective infrastructure—one that can support access, belonging, wellness, and persistence when designed intentionally.

The conversation moves beyond emergency remote learning to examine how organizations evaluate readiness, why frameworks matter, and what leaders must confront if digital learning is going to meaningfully support students rather than strain them.

What This Episode Explores

• Why digital learning should be evaluated at the systems level—not course by course
• The difference between emergency remote teaching and sustainable digital learning
• How leadership, governance, policy, and student support services shape online success
• Why “online readiness” is about people and structures as much as platforms
• The role of reflection frameworks (Quality Matters, OLC, ISTE, and others) in continuous improvement
• How wellness, trauma-informed practices, and student belonging intersect with distance learning
• What teaching yoga online revealed about presence, connection, and learning in virtual spaces
• Why distance learning is better understood as connected, accessible, future-ready learning

Golden Moment

Dr. Salas shares an early career story from her time as an instructional designer—partnering with faculty to bring courses like anthropology, chemistry, and Arabic online before large-scale platforms made it commonplace. The moment highlights a recurring theme of the episode: trust, curiosity, and collaboration matter more than tools when innovation involves real change.

Why Distance Learning?

In Dr. Salas’s words, distance learning isn’t about distance at all. It’s about access, inclusion, and possibility—especially for learners in rural or underserved communities. When aligned with strong leadership and intentional systems, digital learning becomes a bridge rather than a substitute.

Mentioned Work & Resources

• Delmarva Digital Learning Association — https://delmarvadla.org
• United States Distance Learning Association - https://usdla.org/
• Bestemming Yoga — https://www.bestemmingyoga.com/meet-yt
• Numbers and Sense by Alexandra Salas
• Quality Matters, OLC, Blackboard, and ISTE digital learning frameworks (referenced conceptually)

Host Links

1. Discover more virtual learning opportunities at CILC.org with hosts Tami Moehring and Allyson Mitchell.
2. Seth Fleischauer’s Banyan Global Learning combines live virtual field trips with international student collaborations for a unique K12 global learning experience. See https://banyangloballearning.com/global-learning-live/