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  • Episode 174 – Universalism and the Disney Ending Problem

    Episode 174 – Universalism and the Disney Ending Problem
    Feb 23 2026
    What if everyone gets saved in the end… and that is actually the problem? In this second and final conversation on universalism, we dig into the “Disney ending” version of theology. The idea sounds comforting. No eternal consequences. No final separation. Everyone reconciled. Cue the emotional music. But what does that do to justice, holiness, leadership, and the actual claims of historic Christianity? We talk about universalism through both theology and popular opinion. Why does it resonate so strongly in modern American church culture? Is it compassion, discomfort with judgment, or just a cultural allergy to hard endings? And if everyone gets a trophy, what exactly are we being saved from? Nate and Dr. Joseph Tillman approach the topic the way they approach most things: honest questions, real church experience, and just enough sarcasm to keep it human. The conversation is thoughtful without being academic and skeptical without being cynical. If you have ever wrestled with faith, questioned church culture, or felt suspicious of overly tidy theological answers, this episode is for you. Follow or subscribe to the podcast 🔔 Rate or favorite the episode if it resonated 👍 Share the episode with someone who enjoys a little theology with their commentary 📤 Watch the full episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/aoBl3sJVrzs Website: https://wheniheardthispodcast.com/link-in-bio/ Locals + X: @wheniheardthis Facebook + Instagram: @wheniheardthispodcast #Universalism #ChristianPodcast #FaithAndCulture #TheologyDiscussion #ChurchCulture
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    1 Std. und 10 Min.
  • Episode 173 – Universalism and the “Everyone Gets a Trophy” Gospel

    Episode 173 – Universalism and the “Everyone Gets a Trophy” Gospel
    Feb 16 2026
    If everyone makes it to heaven in the end… what exactly are we doing here? Is universalism a serious theological position, or is it just the gospel rebranded for a culture that hates the idea of anyone being left out? In this episode, the conversation turns toward Christian universalism and the growing popularity of the belief that all people will ultimately be saved. Nate and Dr. Joseph Tillman explore the theology behind it, the biblical arguments often cited in its defense, and the way cultural pressure quietly shapes doctrine. They look at how ideas about hell, judgment, grace, and justice get softened or reframed in modern church spaces. This is not a straw man. It is an honest look at universal salvation, why some Christians find it compelling, and where the tension shows up when you actually read Scripture. Faith, leadership, and church culture all collide in a discussion that refuses to pretend the answers are easy. Nate brings the pointed, real-world questions. Dr. Joseph Tillman brings theological depth and historical context. Together, they wrestle through what universalism claims, how it fits or conflicts with traditional Christian doctrine, and why this conversation matters for believers, skeptics, and anyone navigating church in America right now. Follow or subscribe to the podcast 🔔 Rate or favorite the episode if it resonated 👍 Share the episode with someone who has strong opinions about hell 📤 Watch the full episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/bLcDWgJNSuo Website: https://wheniheardthispodcast.com/link-in-bio/ Locals + X: @wheniheardthis Facebook + Instagram: @wheniheardthispodcast #Universalism #ChristianTheology #FaithAndCulture #ChurchLeadership #ChristianPodcast
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  • Episode 172 – Bible College Without the Brochure Energy

    Episode 172 – Bible College Without the Brochure Energy
    Feb 8 2026
    Bible college sounds great in theory. Real life tends to ask better questions. This episode continues the Bible college conversation, but drops the polished language and turns up the pressure. Nate comes in hotter with the questions most people think about but usually keep to themselves. What is Bible college actually designed to do. Who does it serve well. And what happens when the classroom version of faith meets real leadership, real relationships, and real church culture. The discussion moves through faith formation, calling, authority, and expectations without pretending there are easy answers. It is not a takedown, and it is not a promo. It is a candid look at what Bible college prepares you for and what it does not, especially once the brochure stops talking. Nate and Dr. Joseph Tillman keep the conversation grounded, honest, and a little uncomfortable in the best way. One pushes with curiosity and skepticism. The other responds with lived experience and zero interest in churchy spin. It stays thoughtful, human, and occasionally funny throughout. If you have attended Bible college, considered it, led people who did, or just wonder how faith education actually shapes people, this episode will probably hit close to home. Follow or subscribe to the podcast 🔔 Rate or favorite the episode if it resonated 👍 Share the episode with someone who would enjoy the conversation 📤 Links Watch the full episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/5vcyeQt872c Website: https://wheniheardthispodcast.com/link-in-bio/ Locals + X: @wheniheardthis Facebook + Instagram: @wheniheardthispodcast #BibleCollege #FaithAndCulture #ChurchConversations #ChristianPodcast #LeadershipAndFaith
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    1 Std. und 3 Min.
  • Episode 171 – Bible College 101

    Episode 171 – Bible College 101
    Feb 3 2026
    Thinking about Bible college? Or still trying to figure out what it was actually supposed to do? This conversation starts at the basics, before anyone starts arguing in the comments. This is the first episode in a multi-part series on Bible college, and it intentionally starts slow. No shock value. No hot takes yet. Just context. Nate and Dr. Joseph talk through what Bible college is designed for, what it is not, and why so many people walk into it with expectations it was never built to meet. They dig into faith formation, leadership development, calling vs career, and how Bible college fits into modern church culture. It is informational on purpose, setting the groundwork for tougher, more opinionated conversations coming later in the series. Consider this the syllabus before things get spicy. Hosted by Nate and Dr. Joseph Tillman, the conversation pulls from real ministry experience, personal stories, and years of watching people navigate Bible college with mixed results. The tone stays honest and self-aware, with just enough sarcasm to keep it from sounding like a brochure. If this episode lands, follow or subscribe to the podcast 🔔 Rate or favorite it 👍 Share it with someone who is considering Bible college or still processing it 📤 Watch the full episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/Mw63mV2Q1Ek Website: https://wheniheardthispodcast.com/link-in-bio/ Locals + X: @wheniheardthis Facebook + Instagram: @wheniheardthispodcast #BibleCollege #ChurchLeadership #FaithAndCulture #ChristianPodcast #ChurchConversations
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    57 Min.
  • In the Headlines: The Bethel Scandal

    In the Headlines: The Bethel Scandal
    Feb 1 2026
    When church leadership makes headlines, the fallout is never just internal. And this time, the story is heavier than most. Sensitive content warning: This episode discusses allegations involving fraud and sexual abuse. Listener discretion is advised. In this In the Headlines episode, Nate and Dr. Joseph Tillman talk through the ongoing Bethel Church scandal involving Shawn Bolz, Kris Vallotton, and Bill Johnson. They unpack what’s being alleged, why these stories are gaining traction, and how power, influence, and accountability intersect in modern church culture. This conversation isn’t built on outrage or speculation. It’s a careful, honest look at how scandals like this affect real people, real faith communities, and public trust in Christian leadership. The discussion centers on discernment, responsibility, and what it means to take allegations seriously without turning faith into a PR exercise. Because this is a news-based episode, clarity matters. Nate and Dr. Joseph slow things down, separate confirmed information from assumptions, and reflect on how both believers and skeptics process stories like this when they involve spiritual authority and harm. Nate and Dr. Joseph Tillman bring lived experience, dry commentary, and a refusal to look away from uncomfortable topics. In the Headlines exists to address what’s already dominating conversations, without pretending these moments don’t shape how people understand church, leadership, and faith itself. Continue the conversation: • Follow or subscribe to the podcast 🔔 • Rate or favorite the episode if it resonated 👍 • Share the episode with someone who would appreciate the discussion 📤 Links: • Watch the full episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/LrMM27hzPb0 • Website: https://wheniheardthispodcast.com/link-in-bio/ • Locals + X: @wheniheardthis • Facebook + Instagram: @wheniheardthispodcast #BethelChurch #ChurchScandal #ChristianLeadership #FaithAndCulture #WhenIHeardThis
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    1 Std. und 15 Min.
  • Episode 170 – Atheism and the Meaning Plot Hole

    Episode 170 – Atheism and the Meaning Plot Hole
    Jan 26 2026
    If meaning is just something we make up, why does it keep falling apart? In this episode, the conversation goes straight at atheism and the meaning problem it creates. Not as a debate and definitely not as a gotcha. More like an honest look at what happens when belief in God is removed and purpose is expected to hold itself together anyway. We talk about why meaning feels necessary even when people reject faith, where moral frameworks actually come from, and why culture keeps borrowing Christian ideas while insisting it does not need Christianity. The discussion moves through leadership, relationships, and everyday decision-making, especially in a world that wants purpose without transcendence. This is not a tidy answers episode. It is observational, occasionally uncomfortable, and very aware that both Christians and skeptics carry assumptions they rarely slow down to examine. Nate and Dr. Joseph Tillman bring their usual mix of curiosity, humor, and real-life perspective to the conversation. They push on ideas without pretending everything resolves cleanly, and they are honest about where faith clarifies things and where it complicates them. If this conversation resonated, follow or subscribe to the podcast 🔔 Rate or favorite the episode 👍 Share it with someone who enjoys thoughtful conversations about faith and culture 📤 Watch the full episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/KSBv8rBnrTs Website: https://wheniheardthispodcast.com/link-in-bio/ Locals + X: @wheniheardthis Facebook + Instagram: @wheniheardthispodcast #Atheism #FaithAndCulture #ChristianPodcast #MeaningOfLife #ChurchAndCulture
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    1 Std. und 13 Min.
  • Episode 169 – Temptation: The Post-Credits Scene

    Episode 169 – Temptation: The Post-Credits Scene
    Jan 20 2026
    The conversation didn’t end when the episode did. Temptation has a way of sticking around after you think you’ve moved on. This episode is the follow up nobody plans for. An extension of the temptation conversation that keeps going once the big spiritual points are made and real life kicks back in. Nate and Dr. Joseph Tillman dig into what happens after the rules, after the warnings, and after the confident statements about doing better next time. Instead of tidy answers, this episode sits in the awkward middle. How Christians actually experience temptation versus how church culture talks about it. The quiet moments that don’t feel dramatic enough to address, the leadership blind spots, and the ways relationships and faith get complicated over time. This is less about avoiding temptation and more about paying attention to what’s still there once the credits roll. Honest, a little uncomfortable, and very aware that faith is rarely as clean as we pretend it is. Hosted by Nate and Dr. Joseph Tillman, this conversation stays grounded in real life faith experiences. It’s thoughtful, self aware, and intentionally not preachy. The kind of discussion that works whether you’re deeply involved in church, taking a step back, or just tired of oversimplified answers. Follow or subscribe to the podcast 🔔 Rate or favorite the episode if it resonated 👍 Share the episode with someone who would enjoy the conversation 📤 Watch the full episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/dwG9zZh-qUk Website: https://wheniheardthispodcast.com/link-in-bio/ Locals + X: @wheniheardthis Facebook + Instagram: @wheniheardthispodcast #temptation #faithdiscussion #churchculture #christianpodcast #realfaith
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    1 Std. und 10 Min.
  • Episode 168 – Temptation: Endgame

    Episode 168 – Temptation: Endgame
    Jan 12 2026
    What happens when temptation does not end neatly, or at all? This episode closes out the temptation conversation without pretending there is a clean bow to tie on it. Instead of offering a final fix, it looks at what temptation actually feels like over time, especially for people trying to take faith seriously in real life, not just in theory. The conversation digs into how Christians are taught to handle temptation versus how it actually shows up in leadership, relationships, habits, and private decisions. They talk about accountability, discipline, burnout, and why some spiritual advice sounds great but falls apart under pressure. The focus stays on lived experience, not performative faith. If you have ever wondered why doing the “right” things does not always make temptation quieter, this episode sits right in that tension. It leaves space for skepticism, frustration, and humor without turning the discussion into a lecture or a self help checklist. Nate and Dr. Joseph Tillman bring their usual mix of honesty, sarcasm, and thoughtful pushback. The dynamic stays conversational and grounded, poking at church culture where it deserves it while still taking faith seriously enough to ask better questions. Follow or subscribe to the podcast 🔔 Rate or favorite the episode if it resonated 👍 Share the episode with someone who would enjoy the conversation 📤 Watch the full episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/dwG9zZh-qUk Website: https://wheniheardthispodcast.com/link-in-bio/ Locals + X: @wheniheardthis Facebook + Instagram: @wheniheardthispodcast #faithandculture #christianpodcast #churchconversations #millennialfaith #honestfaith
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    1 Std. und 17 Min.