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Cadence is a heart-led facilitator, healing practitioner, and aspiring crone who is driven by her dedication to social and ecological justice, decolonization, and cultural regeneration. After working tirelessly to try to save the world for 15 years, she experienced complete burnout. As she now stands on the other side, she is committed to providing care to changemakers to help them feel resourced and resilient so they can keep showing up in service to a better world. Her work is guided by her studies and experience in: Deep Nature Connection, Grief Tending, Somatic Therapy, Animism, Rites of Passage, Ecopsychology, Indigenous Solidarity, Ancestral Healing, and Ritual Practice.

I first met Cadence at the Forest of Voices song circle gathering on Salt Spring Gathering in the summer of 2025, specifically a workshop she co-facilitated called Medicine Songs for the Brave Revolution. Every time I meet with Cadence, I’m struck by a lush quality of presence and depth in our connection. This recorded conversation, rooted in the questions of what is the world we want to live in and what is our role in ushering that in, was no exception.

We touched on a number of l themes, including the medicine of song (Cadence shares a few with us!), being part of the sacred web of life and nature connection, learning from Indigenous culture, healing from burnout, depression, and anxiety, the healing experience of being part of the Fairy Creek blockade, and our role as both death doulas of empire and birth doulas of a regenerative, healthy culture.

The theme we dig into most is the role of rites of passage and initiation in helping people recognize their purpose and unique gifts for the world. Cadence wants to live in a world or culture that includes initiation and rites of passage, and she also recognizes that it will take time to rebuild the healthy, intact, regenerative culture capable of holding those rites with depth and integrity, and of fully welcoming people home when they return.

• Cadence’s Website: www.innercadence.com
• Cadence’s Instagram: @innercadence
• The gathering that Cadence and I met each other at: https://www.forestofvoicesgathering.com/

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The Weaving the Future Podcast aims to foster conversation and tangible insights on how we can live and work in ways that are aligned, sacred, equitable and joyful.

Carmen Spagnola is a Le Cordon Bleu-trained chef turned trauma recovery practitioner, clinical hypnotherapist, and kitchen witch. She is author of Spells for the Apocalypse: Practical Magic for Turbulent Times (2025) and The Spirited Kitchen: Recipes & Rituals for the Wheel of the Year (2022). Carmen is host of The Numinous Podcast, and founder of The Numinous Network, an online learning and support portal for people healing from trauma through a cross-pollination of somatics, attachment, and nature-based spirituality. As a chef, author, and facilitator, Carmen holds space for renewal amidst turmoil. Her work is an invitation to re-enchantment, soul nourishment, and a deeper and more animistic relationship to the natural world. She provides frameworks and skills to create cultures of collective care in precarious times.

Carmen is a big proponent of “Collapse Awareness”, particularly living a deeply satisfying life in the face of chaotic times. An overarching question we dive into in this episode is exploring whether there is a tension between being “collapsitarian” perspectives and the work of weaving change within existing systems, and the place for hope or vision within that.

We also dive into what it is like for both her and I to be living right now, where we are situated and what we are grappling with right now. This includes some discussion on how to draw on Carmen’s brand new book Spells for the Apocalypse: Practical Magic for Turbulent Times. She describes this book as a trauma-informed witchcraft book that is gift book sized, which can feel like holding hands with someone who is in sync with what is happening in the collective.

Carmen requested that we release this episode on Feb 10 at 3:13pm, which is the lunar return of the book's publication date – so like a mini month-long birthday cycle!

A few links to things we discuss during this episode:

• Collapse in a Nutshell - Podcast episode summarizing collapse topics: https://open.spotify.com/episode/27Strj0h1T5WK19XAVAmit?si=ecb124efd98941c7
• Practicing new worlds, a book Carmen includes in her book club: https://www.akpress.org/practicing-new-worlds-ebook.html
• An article discussing the three key types of activism (along with this author’s proposal for a rebalancing of the different types: https://medium.com/world-summit/imbalanced-spheres-of-activism-and-the-great-turning-that-needs-to-get-turning-50316017d575

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The Weaving the Future Podcast aims to foster conversation and tangible insights on how we can live and work in ways that are aligned, sacred, equitable and joyful.

This episode is a spotlight on Tapestry Collective Co-op, with insights from all four owner members including host Robyn McLean. Learn about our innovative, heart-led approach to business, where blending meaningful work, nurturing strong relationships, and balancing visionary leadership with humble listening drives everything we do.

What we cover in this episode:

0:32 - Welcome and introduction

2:41 - What is Tapestry Collective Co-op? Describing what we do

9:07 - Celebrating Tapestry: Describing our recent commitment ritual

13: 53 - Why each of us are drawn to working with Tapestry

44:00 - Tapestry Operations: How our organization operates as a microcosm for the change we want to see in the world

1:01:04 - The Warp and the Weft: How Tapestry’s guiding principles help us navigate the inherent tensions in this complex work we do.

Warp: The vertical threads in weaving, providing structure and stability.

Weft: The horizontal threads woven through the warp, adding design and pattern

1:13:19 - Summary and Closing

You can find the video version of this episode here: https://youtu.be/MXZY9mldEu8

Links:

https://tapestrycollectiveco-op.com/ - Information about Tapestry Collective Co-op

https://weavingthefuture.net/ - Information about the podcast, courses and other opportunities to connect