In this episode, Winston is joined by Jory Pryor author of Becoming All Light: The Nondual Heart of Christianity and host of the Methods podcast.

Together they explore the rich terrain of non-duality, Advaita Vedanta, and Christian mysticism, asking what it means to speak of God, self, and reality in a way that goes beyond the familiar dualities of Western thought. Jory shares how his book emerged as both a teaching and a spiritual practice, written in the lineage of “teach what you most want to learn.”

They discuss:

• the meaning of non-duality and how it relates to the Christian contemplative tradition
• the challenges of making deep mystical concepts accessible without flattening them
• the pitfalls of oversimplified Western non-dualism
• how spiritual traditions evolve over time and why that evolution is natural
• the flexibility needed to speak of God as both personal and impersonal

Jory also shares perspectives on how non-dual insight expresses itself in real life—not as abstract philosophy, but as a more generous, spacious way of being.

Explore more of Jory’s work:

https://campsite.bio/methodsofcontemplation?utm_source=ig&utm_medium=social&utm_content=link_in_bio&fbclid=PAZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQMMjU2MjgxMDQwNTU4AAGnqn4t0J90tsuchqC8fFjI-TTxzVES-mAK3-1Bb3dKLXfBXrPb17pab1ZXejM_aem_PhDvawWvWkD9_Cf8JIvMHA&brid=yYUyxupf8oOi5wJKDGWDOQ

In this episode, Winston is joined by Rev. Cathie Caimano — Episcopal priest, writer, runner, and founder of Free Range Priest, Trexo: A Gym for Your Soul, and Substack Seminary, a new 12-month program helping clergy reclaim their ministry identity and build sustainable models of spiritual leadership.

Winston and Cathie explore:

• her 25-year journey from traditional parish ministry into “free-range” ministry
• why churches must evolve from institutional maintenance to spiritual connection
• how digital tools can strengthen real-life community
• the growing need for clergy to develop clear ministry identities and sustainable income streams
• the future of faith communities in a world no longer centered on Sunday mornings
• the possibilities and challenges of building community across theological and political divides

It’s a hopeful, honest conversation about the changing landscape of modern ministry — and what a more collaborative, interconnected, and spiritually grounded future might look like.

Find more of Cathie’s work here:
Free Range Priest (Substack): https://freerangepriest.substack.com

Substack Seminary: https://www.substackseminary.org/

Trexo: A Gym for Your Soul: https://trexo.church/

In this episode, Winston sits down with theologian and philosopher Thomas Jay Oord to explore the heart of open and relational theology — a vision of God as inherently uncontrolling love, whose life unfolds in real relationship with creation, and whose influence is mutual rather than unilateral.

The conversation dives into eternal creation, the nature of intrinsic value, what it means for God and creation to be “entangled,” and how unity and individuality coexist without collapsing into either pantheism or separation.

You can follow Thomas’ work here:

https://thomasjayoord759927.substack.com/?utm_campaign=profile_chips