Union-backed skilled trades careers create long-term opportunity. Tom Bigley joins host Andrew Brown to break down trade school options, union benefits, and how to launch a successful path in the trades industry.

Host Andrew Brown sits down with Tom Bigley, Director of Plumbing Services for the United Association, to explore how today’s skilled trades careers really work—covering everything from plumbing union entry requirements to why modern apprenticeships and trade school pipelines offer unmatched union benefits and long-term security.

Tom shares 40+ years of insights on recruitment, opportunities for women, career advancement, pension programs, and how the next generation can thrive across plumbing, welding, HVAC, carpentry, and other trades.

Whether you’re a student, a parent, or someone considering a mid-life pivot into the skilled trades, this episode provides clear, real-world guidance from one of the most respected leaders in the trades industry.

00:01 – Skilled Trades Benefits & Union Advantages: How pensions, healthcare, and union benefits make trades careers uniquely stable.

04:18 – Plumbing Union Career Paths: Tom explains the United Association, leadership roles, and how the plumbing union builds future tradespeople.

11:02 – What Makes Great Apprentices?: Communication, work ethic, and the essential soft skills behind successful apprenticeships.

17:45 – Trade School & Technology Evolution: How modern trade school programs and training centers raise the bar for today’s skilled workers.

25:30 – Recruiting Gen Z & Educating Parents: Why awareness of skilled trades benefits must start at home.

34:40 – How to Join the Union: Step-By-Step: Application tips, timelines, requirements, and how anyone can begin a skilled trades career.

• Apprenticeships in the plumbing union provide unmatched union benefits, from paid training to pensions and healthcare—making them one of the strongest entry points into the skilled trades.
• Trade school and apprenticeships create a debt-free, high-income pathway, often outperforming traditional college outcomes.
• The plumbing union develops more than just craft skills—it produces leaders, project managers, and industry innovators.
• Skilled trades careers offer stability, upward mobility, and real purpose, especially as labor shortages increase opportunities nationwide.

Tom Bigley is the Director of Plumbing Services for the United Association, representing nearly 400,000 tradespeople across plumbing, HVAC, welding, sprinkler fitting, and pipeline work in the U.S. and Canada. With over 44 years in the skilled trades, Tom has served as a business manager, international leader, and Chairman of the World Plumbing Council. He is a lifelong advocate for apprenticeships, trade school pathways, strong union benefits, and building the future of the skilled trades workforce.

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Behind every home built and tool lifted, the Home Depot Foundation is powering skilled trades careers through its Path to Pro trade programs. Courtney Jenkins from the Home Depot Foundation joins host Andrew Brown to discuss how to start a career in the trades, and what’s next for the trades industry.

Host Andrew Brown welcomes Courtney Jenkins, Manager of National Programs and Strategic Partnerships at the Home Depot Foundation, for a deep dive into the future of skilled trades careers. Discover how trade programs, Path to Pro, and national partnerships are training thousands for construction jobs, HVAC, carpentry, plumbing, and electrical careers.

Whether you’re exploring education in the trades, a contractor seeking new talent, or someone curious about craftsmanship and problem-solving, this episode shows how advocacy, access, and mentorship are closing the skilled labor gap.

(00:00) – Skilled Trades as Option A: Why trades careers deserve to be the first choice, not a fallback.

(06:45) – Home Depot Foundation’s $50M Commitment: How investment fuels trade programs nationwide.

(13:10) – Path to Pro Platform: Training, mentorship, and scholarships for construction jobs and trades careers.

(22:30) – Fixing the Labor Shortage: How the trades industry is rebuilding America’s workforce.

(33:50) – Real-Life Impact Stories: From high school programs to veterans finding their calling.

(46:15) – Get Involved: How to join Path to Pro, volunteer, or start your own skilled trades initiative.

• The Skilled Trades = Essential Careers: The trades industry fuels America’s economy with construction jobs, HVAC, electricians, carpenters, and plumbers who create lasting impact.
• $50M in Action: Home Depot Foundation’s Impact: Through national trade programs like Path to Pro, the Home Depot Foundation has trained 60,000+ participants and introduced 490,000 people to skilled trades opportunities.
• Education + Advocacy Build the Pipeline: The next generation of tradespeople needs strong mentors, inclusive education, and a culture that celebrates craftsmanship and problem-solving.
• Path to Pro = Path to Success: With free training, scholarships, and job connections, Path to Pro makes starting in the skilled trades accessible, debt-free, and rewarding.

Courtney Jenkins serves as Manager of National Programs and Strategic Partnerships at the Home Depot Foundation, leading initiatives that expand access to trade programs, strengthen the trades industry, and help close the construction jobs gap. Through Path to Pro, she advocates for education, diversity, and long-term career growth in the skilled trades.

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LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/courtneyjenkins90/

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Electrician apprenticeship, union vs non-union electricians, and the career change to trades — a story for anyone wondering if it’s too late to start over.

Host Andrew Brown sits down with Brandon McKane, a former Trader Joe’s manager who walked away from corporate life at 36 to begin an electrician apprenticeship and rebuild his life in the skilled trades industry.

With over 80,000 electricians needed every year through 2030, Brandon’s journey offers a real-world look at why so many people are leaving their desks behind for hands-on work — and how a career change to trades can bring purpose, stability, and pride.

They talk about the emotional and financial leap of starting over, the reality of apprentice pay, what it’s like to explain the shift to your family, and how the right mentors can change everything. Brandon also shares the unfiltered truth about the union vs non-union electrician experience, and what it takes to go from shop helper to journeyman.

IN THIS EPISODE:

• 00:00 – The electrician shortage: why 80,000 are needed every year
• 02:35 – Meet Brandon McKane: from Trader Joe’s to trades
• 07:10 – The pay cut, the leap, and family conversations
• 12:42 – Apprenticeship reality: pay, training, and safety
• 19:18 – Union vs non-union: pros, cons, and real numbers
• 25:36 – Mentorship and learning from journeymen
• 32:10 – Social media’s impact on the new generation of tradespeople
• 38:20 – Why it’s never too late to start over
• 44:55 – The future of electrification and opportunity

KEY TAKEAWAYS:

1. Why America needs 80,000 electricians a year — and where that demand is coming from
2. How Brandon left a 15-year corporate career to start over at 36
3. The truth about apprentice pay vs. long-term earnings
4. Union vs non-union electricians: what he learned on both sides
5. How tradespeople often earn more than many white-collar careers
6. The mindset shift: finding purpose, progress, and pride in hands-on work
7. Why mentorship and the right foreman can change your life
8. How the trades can become more welcoming to everyone
9. Why it’s never too late for a career change to trades

ABOUT THE GUEST:

Brandon McKane is a non-union apprentice electrician at Sunlight & Power (Berkeley, CA). After 15+ years in retail management, he made a career change to trades, attends night classes, and works on prevailing-wage solar projects. He’s passionate about safety, mentorship, craftsmanship, and helping others navigate how to become an electrician through the electrician apprenticeship route—union or non-union.

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