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How could one be a man of God in Nazi Germany? And, especially, how can one minister to the Wehrmacht, itself an instrument of the Nazi state while professing to adhere to Christian morality? These are the questions that Doris Bergen deals with in her book on German military chaplains.

In this episode, we talk about the Nazi relationship with churches in Germany as well as about the ways in which German military chaplains became complicit in the crimes of the Third Reich.

Doris Bergen is Chancellor Rose and Ray Wolfe Chair in Holocaust Studies at the University of Toronto.

Bergen, Doris. Between God and Hitler: Military Chaplains in Nazi Germany (2025)

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The mass shooting of Jews at Babi Yar in Kiev in September 1941 was the largest open-air shooting of Jews during the Holocaust. In some ways, it came to stand for the Einsatzgruppen killings taking place across the occupied Soviet Union. But as it was not a camp, it left no real physical traces behind. And this was in many ways to the liking of the Soviet government.

In this episode, I talked with Shay Pilnik about the place of Babi Yar in Soviet postwar Holocaust memory. How did the state allow/repress commemoration of the massacre? And, in particular, how did Soviet writers, both Jewish and non-Jewish treat the Babi Yar massacre? It's a really enlightening conversation about the Holocaust, memory, and the ways in which the authoritarian state controls commemoration.

Shay Pilnik is Director of the Emil A. and Jenny Fish Center for Holocaust and Genocide Studies at Yeshiva University.

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The Nuremberg Trials were the first attempt at coming to terms with Nazi criminality. While there was a legal component to this, there was also a psychological element. What made Nazi minds tick?

In this episode, I talk with Jack El-Hai about his work on psychiatrist Douglas Kelley who worked with the Nazi defendants at Nuremberg. This book also forms the basis for the new film Nuremberg.

Jack El-Hai is an author with a particular interest in medical history.

El-Hai, Jack. The Nazi and the Psychiatrist: Hermann Goring, Dr. Douglas M. Kelley, and a Fatal Meeting of Minds at the End of WWII (2013)

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