Episode Summary

Dr. DiGiorgio returns from testifying before the House Energy and Commerce Subcommittee on Health, the third in a series of hearings on healthcare costs covering the provider landscape. The two break down the major policy levers discussed in his testimony — site-neutral payment, Stark Law reform, physician-owned hospitals, and Certificate of Need laws — and why so many obviously good solutions remain politically untouchable. They also dig into the rural access gap, the failure of the NP independence experiment to solve it, Medicare Advantage risk adjustment, and the new HHS healthcare advisory committee. As always, the diagnosis is clear; the politics are the hard part.

Chapter Markers

0:00 – Welcome back & Dr. DiGiorgio's Congressional testimony

3:16 – Site-neutral payment: why everyone knows it's right and no one acts

6:26 – You can't do site neutrality without also enabling competition

8:20 – How MedPAC's methodology actually works

11:50 – Stark Law explained — and why it creates a double standard

14:32 – Hospice fraud, Armenian gangs, and Nick Shirley

20:30 – The original sin: third-party payment and utilization control

23:52 – The case for allowing physician referral networks

25:15 – Hospitals' self-referral hypocrisy and the Federation of American Hospitals tweet

28:52 – How Section 6001 of the ACA banned physician-owned hospitals

30:13 – The new HHS healthcare advisory committee — will it matter?

37:44 – The rural access gap: how big is the problem really?

42:52 – Why NP independence didn't solve rural shortages

47:58 – International medical graduates and the rural fiction

50:06 – Let prices rise: the market solution to rural primary care

55:25 – Medicaid federal matching rates and state competitiveness

56:38 – How Democrats and Republicans engaged at the hearing

58:57 – The politics of why nothing gets done

Links:

YouTube Dr. Digiorgio Congressional Testimony: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjPr3fK9jjc

Written Testimony

@anish_koka | @drdigiorgio

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Kevin Bass, PhD, joins Anish and Dr. DiGiorgio to tell the story of how a viral Newsweek op-ed apologizing for his support of COVID lockdowns and mandates set off a chain of events that ended in his dismissal from Texas Tech's MD/PhD program. Kevin walks through the internal emails, sham professionalism hearings, and rigged dismissal process he uncovered through FERPA records requests — and his ongoing federal and state lawsuits alleging First Amendment retaliation. The conversation then shifts to what Kevin has been building since: using AI pipelines to do large-scale investigative data analysis, from parsing the Epstein files to probing Medicaid fraud — work he argues would have taken a newsroom months, done now in days by one person.

YouTube Chapters:

00:00 - Introduction and Kevin Bass background

01:16 - Kevin's COVID arc: from establishment supporter to dissenter

03:14 - The Newsweek op-ed and Tucker Carlson appearance

08:00 - Internal emails and the professionalism complaint campaign

13:44 - Sham hearings, appeals, and eventual dismissal

19:19 - The rigged consolidated hearing and Darren Gibson

27:34 - Dr. DiGiorgio on the medical training dismissal system

29:51 - Why Kevin still believes in the broader legal system

33:00 - What Kevin has been building since dismissal

36:00 - Using AI to analyze the Epstein files

40:10 - The messiness of large health data sets

46:00 - Immigration policy data analysis

49:06 - Medicaid fraud and the limits of legal definitions

56:20 - Advice to physicians on AI

01:03:10 - The future of health policy research in the AI era

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Resources:

Kevin Bass's case documentation site: https://case.kevinnbass.com

Kevin Bass on Substack: https://www.kevinnbass.com

Kevin Bass on X: @kevinnbass

Kevin's original Newsweek op-ed (Jan. 2023): https://www.newsweek.com/its-time-scientific-community-admit-we-were-wrong-about-coivd-it-cost-lives-opinion-1776630

Kevin's Epoch Times essay on his dismissal: https://www.theepochtimes.com/opinion/how-my-medical-school-scandalously-dismissed-me-5580841

Dr. Anish Koka and Dr. Anthony DiGiorgio open with the little-known medical story behind the death of the Shah of Iran — how Mohammed Reza Pahlavi came to be operated on in Cairo in 1980 by legendary cardiovascular surgeon Michael DeBakey, and how the "comforting explanation" bias may have contributed to his death from a post-operative abscess rather than his underlying cancer. The case, drawn from a piece by Dr. Li Zhao (NYU Langone), launches a broader conversation about anchoring bias in medicine and the cognitive traps all clinicians face. From there, the hosts turn to the quality metric industrial complex — MIPS, the new low back pain ambulatory model threatening a 12% Medicare penalty for spine surgeons, the hospital readmission program's documented mortality spike, and how 2,266 CMS metrics are costing billions while failing patients. They close with a NEJM perspectives piece from Harvard Business School's Leemore Daphne on health insurance consolidation and her surprisingly free-market prescriptions for reform.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction

02:00 The Shah of Iran — Political Background

03:45 The Shah's Leukemia and Michael DeBakey's 1980 Surgery

06:30 A Spleen the Size of a Football

08:00 The Decision Not to Drain — And Its Consequences

10:00 The Comforting Explanation Bias

12:30 Subspecialization Matters — The Most Famous Surgeon Isn't Always the Right One

14:45 Anchoring Bias in Clinical Medicine

17:00 Modern Imaging and Residents as Checks on Bias

18:30 Surgeons, Complications, and the M&M Conference

21:00 Segue: Judging Doctors by Stats

22:30 The Origins of Quality Metrics — Donabedian 1966

24:00 MIPS and How It Actually Works

26:00 The New Back Pain Ambulatory Specialty Model — A 12% Penalty

28:00 Evidence That Metrics Harm Patients: Hospital Readmission Reduction Program

30:30 Obstetrics and the C-Section Penalty

31:30 Press Ganey and the Cafeteria Problem

33:00 Risk Adjustment Gaming — 40% Margin Increase from Coder Rounding

38:00 2,266 Metrics and 108,000 Person-Hours at Johns Hopkins

40:00 Why Doctors Leave Medicare

42:00 What Good Metrics Could Look Like — Dr. DiGiorgio's JAMA Proposal

44:00 Health Insurance Consolidation — NEJM Perspectives

50:30 FDA, Vinay Prasad, and the WSJ Retraction

55:00 Next Week: Kevin Bass

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