What if church wasn’t a place—but everyday obedience to Jesus lived out by ordinary people? In this episode, we interview Lucas Pulley, the executive director of the Underground Network. we explore the Underground movement, a global network of 100+ microchurches—worshiping communities sent to obey God’s calling, multiply disciples, and pursue justice among the poor and oppressed. We challenge the idea that speed and impact come from gathering bigger crowds, and instead show how lasting multiplication happens when every believer faithfully obeys their calling over time and the whole network bears fruit together. We also discuss how a simple, minimum definition of church empowers ordinary people to take bold risks for Jesus, how justice and antiracism are woven into the DNA of microchurch life, and how networked microchurches help one another persevere through shared leadership, encouragement, and mutual support—along with practical best practices for getting started.

What does it look like to make disciples in the workplace? In this conversation with Ramon Mayo, we explore how God can turn setbacks—like losing a job—into opportunities for greater fruitfulness. Ramon shares powerful stories and practical insights on recognizing everyday opportunities, listening to the Holy Spirit, and living authentically as a follower of Jesus at work. From using break times intentionally to letting even casual jokes spark spiritual conversations, this episode is packed with wisdom for anyone who wants to integrate faith and work. Discover why striving often produces little fruit, but surrendering to God’s leading opens doors and hearts.

On this end of year podcast episode, Cynthia talks with veteran DMM/CPM trainer Bill Smith about the role and importance of goal setting and dreaming big with God as you start a new year. They'll talk about some of the how to do this but a lot more about the why it is so vital in our journey as those who are pursuing Kingdom multiplication.

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