Ever wondered what flying for a major regional airline is actually like? We bring you two radically different perspectives from the flight deck based right here in the demanding Salt Lake City hub.

We sit down with Captain Jeff Garn, a 30-year airline veteran whose seniority number is currency- something worth more than gold. He breaks down why seniority is everything and goes hard on the need to maintain stick-and-rudder skills against automation complacency.

First Officer Jeff Perkins, also joins us on this episode. Perkins went from being a corporate Fuel Auditor for 10+ years to a pilot two years ago. He details his unique path, how living in base defeats the "Commuter Nightmare," and the real talk on low-seniority schedules.

We get into the daily grind: what a 4-day trip truly costs you in time away, the criticality of the Pilot Monitoring role, and the sobering lessons from recent accidents that demand constant professional vigilance. It’s the raw reality of the airline career, from stability and high pay to the constant pressure of safety.

In this raw, solo episode of Cleard, Drew dives deep into the ongoing U.S. government shutdown—now at 27 days as of October 28, 2025—and its devastating ripple effects on air traffic controllers, with a spotlight on Utah's skies. From the vast Salt Lake City Air Route Traffic Control Center to towers in Ogden, Provo, and St. George, controllers are working unpaid overtime amid chronic shortages, leading to delays, near-misses, and safety risks that threaten passengers, pilots, and cargo flows vital to Utah's tourism and tech economy.Unpacking the shutdown's roots in partisan gridlock (with a few light-hearted jabs at D.C.'s dysfunction), Drew explores national headlines of tower closures and second jobs for exhausted workers, then zooms in on local stories of Utah families rationing groceries and communities rallying with pantries and aid. Hear inspiring paths to becoming an air traffic controller through Utah programs at USU, UVU, and Weber State, plus actionable steps to support these unsung heroes— from calling reps to donating essentials.

Think flying is a boys’ club? Think again. In this episode of Cleared, we spotlight the Utah 99s—a powerhouse group of women aviators defying gravity and stereotypes. We dive into what it takes to become part of this fearless flying sisterhood, the challenges of navigating a male-dominated industry, and why community is key for women in aviation. Whether you're an aspiring pilot or just love a good story of grit and turbulence, this one's for you.

Alex and Trent Sevenson join us as they share their 40-hour journey from Spanish Fork to the East Coast in their Cessna 182. From navigating the Washington SFRA and visiting Kitty Hawk, to landing at Put-In-Bay, this episode covers it all. Tune in for a great story of adventure, brotherhood, and aviation outside your local traffic pattern

In this episode of Cleard, Drew sits down with Captain Fred Celest and Keith Olive, SEAT Base Manager in Tooele, to talk about the world of aerial firefighting. From the unique challenges of flying Single Engine Air Tankers (SEATs) to what it takes to coordinate ground and air crews on active wildfires, Fred and Keith share first-hand insight into the operations that keep communities safe. Whether you’re an aviator, a firefighter, or just curious about what happens behind the smoke, this episode gives you a rare inside look at the BLM’s SEAT program and the people who make it run.

What happens when you chase the dream of becoming an airline pilot as a full-grown adult — and then the industry hits pause? In this episode, we sit down with Jed Malmberg, a CFI-turned-airline-hopeful, and his wife Carrie, to talk about the real-life turbulence of flight school in your 40s. From getting fired to airline hiring freezes, financial strain to emotional resilience, we explore the highs, lows, and everything in between — from both sides of the cockpit.

This week on Cleard, I'm joined by Bret Kobe, the no-nonsense, all-heart owner of Scud Air Solutions. If you've spent any time around Utah aviation, you've probably run into Bret. Fresh off flying a Cessna 180 nicknamed "Beastwagon" to Oshkosh and back, Bret shares stories from the trip, why he still loves making that long haul, and what keeps him passionate about general aviation after all these years. We also talk about lessons learned, the flying war stories about 1 of his 7 engine failures he's run into, and his training philosophy. If you like your aviation talk unfiltered and full of real-world wisdom, this episode is for you.

Christian Davis is the airport manager at Spanish Fork Municipal Airport (KSPK) and Vice President of the Utah Airport Operators Association.

KSPK recently implemented landing fees and it sparked backlash in the GA community. Some pilots weren’t happy. Some left. So we sat down and talked about it.

In this episode, Christian explains why the fees were introduced, how they’re tracked, where the money actually goes, and whether airports should be expected to operate without charging users directly. We also get into the realities of running a high-traffic non-towered airport, what growth looks like behind the scenes, and whether a control tower is actually on the horizon.

We also talk about his life outside aviation. His hobbies, home life, and what it’s like being the guy making decisions that not everyone agrees with.

This is a candid conversation about airport funding, pilot responsibility, infrastructure, and the future of KSPK.