Connect With Us On LinkedIn Wes Ulmer - https://www.linkedin.com/in/wes-ulmer-sd-tech/ Woody Giessmann - https://www.linkedin.com/in/woody-giessmann-957958398/ Summary In this conversation, Wes Ulmer sits down with Woody Giessmann - drummer for the Del Fuegos, painter, author, and founder of Right Turn - to explore the powerful connection between art, music, and addiction recovery. Woody shares his journey from touring with acts like Tom Petty, ZZ Top, and INXS to 35 years in recovery and three decades helping others as a licensed addiction specialist and board-certified interventionist. He explains the self-medication roots of addiction, why language and kindness matter in his invitational model of intervention, and how his clinic pioneered music and art as experiential therapy. Woody also opens up about losing his brother to untreated mental illness, the story behind his book A Life of Recovery, and Rock Bottom - a recovery music project he is producing with artists including Tom Hamilton of Aerosmith, Joe Perry, Darryl McDaniels of Run-DMC, and Sheryl Crow. They close on technology's role in care: AI, its limits, and the human empathy no machine can replace. Takeaways • Woody Giessmann drummed for the Del Fuegos, touring with Tom Petty, ZZ Top, and INXS before dedicating his life to recovery. • With 35 years in recovery and 30 in the field, he brings both lived experience and clinical expertise as a licensed specialist and interventionist. • Addiction is often self-medication for underlying trauma, depression, or anxiety - not simply a genetic destiny. • A Harvard study he cites suggests addiction is more learned behavior than inherited predisposition. • Language and kindness matter - Woody uses an invitational, non-punitive model of intervention. • Music and art therapy, which his clinic Right Turn pioneered, can powerfully complement traditional treatment. • His book A Life of Recovery and his Rock Bottom music project channel creativity into helping others heal. • AI and automation can support care and creative work, but can't replicate human empathy or an artist's authentic voice. Chapters 0:00 Welcome and Guest Introduction 0:28 Woody's Music Career: The Del Fuegos and Touring 1:41 From LA to Boston: Becoming an Addiction Specialist 3:20 The Book: A Life of Recovery 4:00 Founding Right Turn: Music and Art as Therapy 4:56 Self-Medication and the Roots of Addiction 6:16 Language, Kindness, and the Invitational Model 8:13 Managing Use vs. Dependency 9:30 Genetics vs. Learned Behavior 10:39 A Personal Loss and Why He Wrote the Book 13:27 The Rock Bottom Music Project 15:45 Technology, AI, and the Human Touch 18:39 AI, Music, and the Ownership Debate 20:38 How to Reach Woody and Get the Book 22:34 Closing Thoughts
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