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Ever feel like you’re doing mental gymnastics to “figure it out,” only to wind up more anxious and less present? From a windy couch in Naples, we unpack the modern obsession with certainty and why it keeps us looping instead of living. We draw a clear line between problems to solve and mysteries to live—think broken appliances versus identity, timing, love, and purpose—and share how attachment to outcomes quietly fuels stress.

Cleveland shares how leaving a corporate job without a perfect plan led to more freedom than endless planning ever did. Lindsay brings tools from mindfulness and therapy that turn panic into presence, including the surprising power of taking just the next honest step. We trade stories about overtracking, overplanning, and the moment you realize that allowing isn’t quitting—it’s refusing to force what needs time. Along the way, we talk proactive versus reactive living, how action creates clarity, and why you can’t spreadsheet your way to a meaningful life.

If thinking harder hasn’t helped, it’s probably not a thinking problem. You’ll learn simple prompts to break the overthinking loop—What is truly being asked of me now? What one step can I take without the whole plan? Can I trust myself to learn as I go?—plus a grounded approach to making an impact where it counts. Less outrage, more local love. Fewer invented problems, more attention to what’s real.

Press play for a conversation that feels like a deep exhale: funny, candid, and packed with practical shifts you can use today. If this resonates, follow the show, share it with a friend who’s stuck in “figure it out” mode, and leave a quick review to help more listeners find us.

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