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Some Work, All Play

Some Work, All Play

Von: David Roche and Megan Roche
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Five to ten topics, sometimes about running, with lots of love and enthusiasm and science. We dig deep into training, races, studies, pop culture, and much more! With Megan Roche, M.D. and David Roche!David Roche and Megan Roche Laufen & Joggen
  • 309. The Marathon that Changed Running, Ultra GOAT to Western States, Misconceptions about Training Volume, A Supershoe Lawsuit, and A Hydration Study!
    May 5 2026

    We violated the warranty on ankle tape before this great episode! A main topic involved taking a step back to understand the historic context of Vinny Mauri’s 2:05 debut marathon. We think it’s a performance that signals a fundamental shift in the future of the sport for everyone, and we discuss why.

    We also talked about the exciting news that Jim Walmsley is heading to Western States with a sponsor slot. The GOAT is back! David had some terrible hot takes, and he’s now panicking that he didn’t give enough disclaimers that he doesn’t actually believe any of them.

    And this one had lots of fun topics! Other topics: unique uses of athletic tape, Abby Steiner sues Puma over their shoes, misconceptions about training volume, physiological testing of private parts, uninformed thoughts on the Kentucky Derby, a hydration review arguing that many athletes underhydrate outside of training, a study on ketones during hard efforts, using caffeine to increase heart rate, combining Nomio and bicarb, the wild world of zone compression, AI thoughts, and lots more.

    To us, you are all in the top 1%. That will make sense after you listen. Unfortunately.

    We love you all! HUZZAH!

    -David and Megan

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    1 Std. und 21 Min.
  • 308. Sub-2 Hour Marathon Fueling, The High Carb Plus Bicarb Era, Strides v. Plyometrics Study, Supershoe Evolution, and Iron Theories!
    Apr 28 2026

    We made an unfortunate impulse purchase (you'll see) before this great episode! The main topic revolved around the world records at the London Marathon, including Sebastian Sawe’s 1:59:30 winning time. We discuss his mid-race fueling, bicarb use, shoes, and so much more.

    Plus, there was an important study measuring the differences in mechanical output between sprints, strides, and plyometrics. This study could be the missing link that identifies why strides are such a ubiquitous part of elite training approaches.

    And there were tons of fun topics! Other topics: the purchase David is not proud of, a game theory hypothetical, a high-carb case study, the amazing Women’s Gear Index, luxury gear, an existential question on life and training, a potential treadmill study, barefoot shoes, iron dosing theories, and lots more.

    Come for the carb talk, stay for the knowledge that David will occasionally have the worst takes you have ever heard. We take back every thought we head about pressing the red button.

    We love you all! HUZZAH!

    -David and Megan

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    For training plans, weekly bonus podcasts, heart rate zones, articles, and videos: patreon.com/swap

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    1 Std. und 39 Min.
  • 307. A Mind-Blowing Boston Marathon, Jess McClain Runs 2:20 (!!!), and Studies on What Improves Endurance Performance!
    Apr 21 2026

    We had just the right amount of Dunkin’ coffee (a barrel) before this great episode! The main topic was everything we learned at the Boston Marathon, highlighted by Jess McClain running 2:20:49 to break the American Course Record by over a minute. We break down our experience the most magical weekend!

    The most memorable moment for us: Around 30k, Jess fumbled a bottle (with a gel on it) right at the moment when the big moves were happening. What do you do at that moment? Jess turned around, grabbed it, and somehow bridged back to the leaders by surging under 5 min/mile pace. It was an unthinkable moment of perseverance and smarts that will go down in US running history. NO CARB LEFT BEHIND.

    And there were other amazing topics when we stopped being obsessed with Boston for a few seconds! Other topics: carbs in marathons, insights from marathon training, a study on cycling training that examines what overlaps with the best performances, a parallel running study, and lots more.

    Boston, we love you and your unexplained steam coming from the ground! History fact: Paul Revere listened to the SWAP Boston episode. HUZZAH!

    -David and Megan

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    For training plans, weekly bonus podcasts, heart rate zones, articles, and videos: patreon.com/swap

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    1 Std. und 30 Min.
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