In Episode 13, Coach James and White Belt Zach record their second episode of the day in record-breaking Brazilian heat, immediately abandon shirts, and ask the real questions—like why drinking hot coffee in 100° weather somehow feels correct, and whether mushroom coffee is medicine or just expensive dirt with an attitude.

From there, things get real.

We talk about dating and loving “normies”—those mysterious people who can have one drink, forget it exists, and not spiral into chaos. How do you stay sober in a relationship where your partner drinks casually? Is it hot? Is it scary? Is it a red flag? (Spoiler: if they hate your sobriety, run.)

Buckle up, because this episode has more mood swings than a toddler who skipped nap time.

James and Zach kick things off by fueling their crippling caffeine addictions and pretending to be film scholars. Then, things get physical: Zach is getting ready to test for his Jiu-Jitsu Blue Belt, which means he can technically kill you (but gently). Meanwhile, James recounts the time his sciatica hurt so bad his brain decided to go on a little vacation—yes, we’re talking full-blown psychosis.

It sounds heavy, but we promise it’s wholesome. We navigate the thin line between "having a mental breakdown" and "having a breakthrough," discuss why we need more diverse friends, and argue about music.

This week we got a good friend of the show and Rolling Sober member Nicky Hollywood on the podcast! Nick recounts his Jiu Jitsu and sobriety journey, and we get into some topics like sex and love addiction, high bottoms, and of course we debate and make fun of A.I. a bit.