In this episode of Risk Is Our Business, Captain Michael Rasmussen is joined by Fayadh Alenezi, strategic risk leadership architect and presilience advisor, for a candid discussion on where risk management stands today and where it needs to go next.

They begin by unpacking the current state of practice and what works, what doesn’t, and why too much risk management still feels like process without purpose. From there, the conversation moves into risk intelligence and the importance of good information, meaningful insight, and decision-relevant signals rather than noise.

Fayadh introduces the concept of presilience, shifting the focus from reacting to disruption toward building the foresight and decision capability to stay ahead of it. This naturally leads into a deeper discussion on risk leadership and what distinguishes strong risk leaders from framework managers, and why mindset, judgment, and clarity matter as much as models and data.

They also explore risk culture, with particular attention to the Middle East and Saudi Arabia, where cultural context, leadership norms, and rapid transformation shape how risk is perceived and practiced. The discussion connects these themes to Vision 2030, and how it is acting as a catalyst for more mature, strategic, and leadership-driven approaches to risk management across the Kingdom.

Rather than treating risk as a compliance obligation, this episode reframes it as a leadership discipline—one rooted in intelligence, culture, and the ability to act with confidence before the alarm sounds.

Recorded live at the GPRC Summit in Riyadh, this episode of Risk Is Our Business features Thamer Al Hamed, Executive General Manager of GRC and Data Management, in a timely conversation on how risk management and resilience are converging as strategic capabilities in Saudi Arabia.

Michael and Thamer explore the relationship between risk and resilience, asking whether they truly belong together and how that relationship changes at national and organizational scale. The discussion then turns to the Saudi context, examining both the challenges and the opportunities shaping the evolution of GRC across the Kingdom.

A central theme is Vision 2030, and the role GRC plays in enabling it. Thamer explains how Vision 2030 has become a powerful catalyst for the growth and maturity of governance, risk, and compliance practices—shifting GRC from a supporting function into a strategic enabler of transformation, accountability, and long-term value creation.

They also discuss how GRC is being received across organizations, how mindsets are changing, and what it takes for risk management to move beyond formality and into real decision support. The conversation closes with Thamer reflecting on his own career journey and how he sees both his role, and the broader GRC landscape in Saudi Arabia, evolving as 2030 approaches.

This episode offers a clear window into how risk, resilience, and governance are being redefined in one of the world’s fastest-moving transformation agendas.

In this return voyage of Risk Is Our Business, Captain Michael Rasmussen reconnects with Stefan Gershater for a candid, occasionally interrupted conversation from opposite ends of a video call—a fitting setup for a discussion about signal, noise, and what actually matters in modern risk management.

The episode centers on the real value of risk and GRC software, and how leaders should measure it. Stefan brings a healthy skepticism to the conversation, challenging an industry that too often sells efficiency for efficiency’s sake. Over dinner in London, he recalls receiving a message from a vendor promising to save him 80% of his time. His reaction was blunt: No one cares how hard risk teams work, they care about outcomes, decisions, and results.

From there, the discussion explores what risk leaders should actually evaluate in risk technology. Rather than control-heavy platforms built primarily for compliance, Stefan argues for solutions designed to support value creation, decision-making, and the achievement of objectives. They unpack what “good” looks like when it comes to risk data, data strategy, and visualization, and why many tools still struggle to present risk in ways the business can act on.

As the conversation turns to how risk technology should evolve, reality intervenes. A call from Stefan’s CEO pulls him away from the bridge mid-discussion, an unscripted reminder that risk management doesn’t live in dashboards or demos, but in the real-time demands of leadership.

This episode is a sharp look at why not all risk software deserves a place on the bridge, and why separating meaningful intelligence from false alerts has never mattered more.