He is Australia's most decorated living soldier — a Victoria Cross recipient charged with the alleged murder of five unarmed Afghan detainees. But does losing a civil defamation case make Ben Roberts-Smith a convicted war criminal? Adam Shand thinks not, and he's found one of the country's most experienced criminal defence barristers to explain why.

Philip Dunn KC has spent a career in the criminal courts defending the highest-profile cases in Australian legal history. In this episode, he unpacks the critical difference between a finding on the balance of probabilities and the far higher bar of proof beyond reasonable doubt — and why confusing the two is dangerous. He also examines the dramatic and arguably prejudicial arrest of Roberts-Smith, the extraordinary use of four indemnified witnesses, the absence of forensic evidence and the very real threat that relentless media coverage poses to a fair trial.

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Peter Morgan was one half of Australia's most audacious crime duo — identical twins who pulled off a string of armed robberies and became the country's most wanted.

In Part Two of Adam's conversation with Peter, the story picks up in the aftermath of the 1979 Heathcote bank robbery, in which Senior Constable Ray Koch was shot.

Peter recounts the desperate hours after the shooting — hiding from roadblocks, hitching into Bendigo, and coming within seconds of a second violent confrontation with an off-duty officer. He reflects on the psychological weight of Pentridge Prison, how he broke out of not one but two so-called escape-proof jails and what it really took to walk away from crime for good.

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He spent two years terrorising country banks and TABs across Victoria. He shot a police officer. He robbed the same bank three times. And he did it all as one half of Australia's most audacious criminal duo — the After Dark Bandits.

Peter Morgan is the lesser-heard voice of the infamous Morgan twins. While his brother Doug has told his side of the story, Peter has stayed largely silent — until now.

In this first of a two-part conversation, Adam Shand sits down with Peter for an afternoon-long interview months in the making. They go back to the beginning: a hard-working, hard-living builder father who moonlighted as a bank robber; a childhood steeped in tough love and frontier masculinity; and the twin upbringing that would eventually see two identical brothers take turns behind the balaclava across 27 armed hold-ups — without police realising there were two of them.

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