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REFS NEED LOVE TOO

REFS NEED LOVE TOO

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An honest perspective from the 3rd team on the pitch... the referees. Through humor, analysis and education, we are slowly changing how people view referees and officials in all sports. We care and have a love for the game as much as any player or coach. Sometimes even more. Youth soccer (proper football) is a multi-billion $ industry in the US. Tremendous money is spent on players, competitions, travel etc., but almost nothing spent on developing the next generation of referees. I hope that this Podcast inspires, educates and humanizes the next generation of referees for their own development and appreciation from the players, coaches and spectators they need to work alongside.

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  • The Mental Game: Building Better Referees with Kevin Klinger
    Jan 13 2026

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    Pressure doesn’t just come from the scoreboard—it lives in your head and your chest when the crowd roars and a coach questions your integrity. We sit down with Kevin Klinger, Director of Referee Education and Development at U.S. Officials and founder of Officials Mental Edge, to break down the mental skills that separate solid refs from truly elite officials. Kevin brings a rare dual lens as a longtime pro referee and licensed counselor, translating sports psychology into practical, on‑field tools.

    We unpack how a real development ecosystem goes far beyond assignments: structured curricula, on‑site sessions, online learning, and high‑level mentorship that builds focus, confidence, and resilience over time. Kevin maps the moments that derail referees—performance attacks like biased or blind, identity jabs, background slights, and disrespectful behaviors—and explains why naming triggers is the first step to control. From there, he lays out a repeatable reset: acknowledge you’re triggered, center with deliberate breath and strong posture, address the conflict with clarity, then consciously transition before the next decision. It’s a trainable protocol that stops rumination, reduces compounding errors, and keeps your head in the game.

    We also dive into retention and why so many officials leave between years one and two. The fix isn’t just more laws‑of‑the‑game lectures; it’s teaching emotional regulation, mistake recovery, and communication early. Kevin shares elite habits you can use today: ask your crew before kickoff to find one improvement for you, journal after matches, review targeted clips to prime decision‑making, and use visualization to rehearse tough moments. Along the way, you’ll hear candid stories, gear hacks for focus, and quick takes on captain interactions and pregame routines.

    If you’re serious about refereeing—whether you’re working grassroots or aiming for the pro pathway—these mental skills are your edge. Listen, take notes, and try one reset routine in your next match. If this episode helps, follow the show, share it with your crew, and leave a review so more referees can build their mental game with us.

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    54 Min.
  • From Grief To Growth: A Referee’s Year Of Loss, Reinvention, And Impact
    Jan 1 2026

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    A year can include joy and pain without destroying you. In 2025, I said goodbye to my dad—the person I called on every big news story, new tech breakthrough, or small family win—and then rebuilt my life in a way he’d love to hear about. That mix of grief and momentum shaped everything: how I left about work, how I re-built my career, and how I chose where to invest my energy.

    The moment the fun drained out of a private equity‑owned, corporate job and the relief that came with choosing a nine‑person company where simple, focused execution mattered more than politics. Leads spiked, deals closed, and I found my stride again. With the commute gone, Refs Need Love Too took off: more than 2,000 orders shipped, new grip socks and made‑in‑USA buzzer flags, custom coins and badges for associations, and a robust global supply chain. On the creator side, TikTok and Facebook revenue jumped alongside brand partnerships, and creator events in Atlanta and LA cemented the feeling that I belong in that room—even as one of the oldest creators there.

    The mission sharpened with consulting work for US Soccer, where I helped launch the national referee abuse policy with videos, social assets, and a clear message that reached millions. That momentum led to a full‑time role with SoCal Soccer, building referee development and a learning platform that bridges the macro and micro: content for a global community and hands‑on training for refs running U8 fields every weekend. On the whistle, I earned high school playoff assignments, State Cup finals, and a U.S. women’s youth national team AR slot, then headed to MLS Nextfest to learn from FIFA and CONCACAF referee coaches about the living nature of the game, the spirit of the laws, and the art of reading play.

    Family milestones kept me grounded, and to honor my dad’s kindness, I'm launching the Pops Scholarship Fund: annual $1,000 and $500 awards for young referees pursuing education. It’s a way to keep his name moving forward while investing in the next voices with a whistle. If you’re building a life you’d be proud to tell someone you miss, you’ll find a lot to hold onto here—practical playbooks, hard‑won lessons, and a strong heartbeat for the referee community. Listen, share with a friend who needs momentum, and leave a review to help more refs find us.

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    21 Min.
  • From Shortage To Solution: Reimagining Education For Officials with Kyle Armstrong of RefReps
    Dec 24 2025

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    Ever tried to judge a play from six feet off the ground with bodies flying past and zero replays? That’s where referees live, and it’s nothing like the view from the stands. We sit down with RefReps CEO Kyle Armstrong to explore how first‑person video, multi‑angle breakdowns, and short, high‑impact modules are rebuilding the referee pipeline and reshaping sports culture from the ground up.

    Kyle walks us through the origin story, the tech stack, and the classroom model that puts officiating into high schools and colleges. Students rotate between playing and reffing, then take those skills into local leagues for paid assignments. The result is a rare win‑win: more covered games, real income for teens, and a surge in life skills like conflict resolution, time management, and composure under pressure. We dig into the data too—confidence and intent to officiate hold above 80 percent across tens of thousands of learners—plus why brain science favors immersive reps over dry rule drills.

    We also look at the culture problem. RefReps installs “Do You Have What It Takes To Make The Call?” kiosks at a state championship, and crowds only get 62 percent accuracy with only two choices and a ticking clock. That humbling moment sparks empathy without lectures, and it’s changing how coaches and parents behave on the sideline. From pricing and annual rule updates to VR experiments and partnerships with NFHS, this is a practical blueprint for strengthening youth sports, improving game management, and keeping officials in the game.

    If you care about fair play, better coaching, and safer sidelines, hit follow, share this with a friend who loves sports, and leave a review to help more people see the game through the eyes of the officials.

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    49 Min.
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