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Process Over Product

Process Over Product

Von: Trevor Thomas
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There are two clay classes. One is tasked with replicating the perfect vase — a product. The other is told to create as many pots as possible — a process. The process group obviously makes more work, but surprisingly, they also make better work. The result runs counter to what we’re taught about control, perfection, and outcomes. This is the essence of Process Over Product: a podcast about what actually happens in the studio — the uncertainty, the decisions, pressure, and work underneath the work. Join artists Trevor Wade Thomas and Kelsey Kopp as we discuss process in the world of art.Trevor Thomas Kunst
  • Identifying Your Process
    Jan 9 2026

    In this episode of Process Over Product, artists Trevor Wade Thomas and Kelsey Kopp focus on the actual, tangible actions that make up their studio practices.


    They talk about what “process” really looks like while making work — not as a fixed formula, but as a living rhythm shaped through repetition, reflection, and experience. The conversation explores whether process is something artists find or something they slowly build over time, and what those differences reveal about temperament, materials, and ways of thinking.


    Trevor and Kelsey walk through their current painting processes step by step, sharing how they begin, how they make decisions, how they recover when things drift, and what their process ultimately means to the character and direction of their work.


    This episode is an invitation to notice your own rhythms, habits, and ways of working — and to consider how your process quietly shapes what your work becomes.


    Kelsey Kopp is a landscape painter whose work is rooted in observation, repetition, and sustained engagement with place. Her practice emphasizes process as a way of understanding time, light, and perception rather than arriving at a fixed image.

    Find Kelsey on instagram @kelsey_kopp_art


    Trevor Wade Thomas is a painter and educator working primarily from observation. His practice centers on drawing, material process, and the relationship between labor, memory, and making. He is the founder of Oil and Earth Studio YouTube Channel, where he explores craft, teaching, and long-form artistic inquiry.


    You can find Trevor online at www.trevorwadethomas.com , on YouTube at www.youtube.com/oilandearthstudio , or on Instagram @twtfineart

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    19 Min.
  • Finding Momentum
    Jan 2 2026

    In episode 3 of Process Over Product, artists Trevor Wade Thomas and Kelsey Kopp explore how momentum is actually built in the studio—especially when you’re staring at a blank surface or trying to pull a big idea into motion.


    They talk through what goes into the creative thought process, how they generate and recognize usable ideas, and what they do when things go sideways mid-process. The conversation moves between mindset and action: how to make decisions when clarity hasn’t arrived yet, how to recover when a painting drifts, and how small, intentional moves can rebuild direction without forcing an outcome.


    This episode is for anyone trying to start new work, restart stalled work, or keep going when the studio feels uncertain.


    Kelsey Kopp is a landscape painter whose work is rooted in observation, repetition, and sustained engagement with place. Her practice emphasizes process as a way of understanding time, light, and perception rather than arriving at a fixed image.

    Find Kelsey on instagram @kelsey_kopp_art


    Trevor Wade Thomas is a painter and educator working primarily from observation. His practice centers on drawing, material process, and the relationship between labor, memory, and making. He is the founder of Oil and Earth Studio YouTube Channel, where he explores craft, teaching, and long-form artistic inquiry.


    You can find Trevor online at www.trevorwadethomas.com , on YouTube at www.youtube.com/oilandearthstudio , or on Instagram @twtfineart

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    29 Min.
  • Imposter Syndrome: Friend or Foe?
    Dec 26 2025

    In the second episode of Process Over Product, artists Trevor Wade Thomas and Kelsey Kopp confront imposter syndrome — the persistent voice of fear, doubt, and self-questioning that often surfaces in the studio.


    They unpack what that voice actually is, where it comes from, and how it shows up while painting, making, and trying to move work forward. Through personal stories and studio-level reflection, they explore the ways imposter syndrome can stall decision-making, interrupt momentum, and quietly shape creative choices.


    As the conversation unfolds, the episode takes an unexpected turn: rather than treating this voice only as an obstacle to overcome, Trevor and Kelsey examine how it might also serve as a strange kind of ally — a signal, a mirror, and even a guide — pointing toward deeper honesty, growth, and intentional making.


    Kelsey Kopp is a landscape painter whose work is rooted in observation, repetition, and sustained engagement with place. Her practice emphasizes process as a way of understanding time, light, and perception rather than arriving at a fixed image.


    Find Kelsey on instagram @kelsey_kopp_art


    Trevor Wade Thomas is a painter and educator working primarily from observation. His practice centers on drawing, material process, and the relationship between labor, memory, and making. He is the founder of Oil and Earth Studio YouTube Channel, where he explores craft, teaching, and long-form artistic inquiry.


    You can find Trevor online at www.trevorwadethomas.com , on YouTube at www.youtube.com/oilandearthstudio , or on Instagram @twtfineart

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    21 Min.
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