In this episode, Cleanlab CEO Curtis Northcutt shares a perspective few leaders are willing to say publicly:
“I don’t even think my job is safe.”

We discuss the exponential acceleration of AI, how machines are improving faster than humans can understand, and why we’re entering a future where AI evaluates AI—because humans simply won’t be able to.

Curtis also explains:

• Why no job (including CEOs) is safe from AI
• Why we now “talk to computers that talk back”
• Why enterprises struggle with AI hallucinations and risk
• How Cleanlab built a real-time “self-awareness layer” for AI agents
• Why human labeling won’t survive the next 2–5 years
• The biggest moat in AI (and why OpenAI can’t build it internally)
• Where AI works today vs where it still spectacularly fails
• Why startups must use AI everywhere to survive
• How his journey from rural Kentucky to MIT shaped Cleanlab’s mission

One of the clearest, most grounded explanations of what the next few years of AI will look like for companies, workers, and society.

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