From the Holy Land and US Prisons to our very living rooms, this conversation reveals how proximity, humility, and courageous tenderness make enemy love—the radical way of Jesus—possible, disarming fear, confronting injustice, and transforming our own hearts in the process.01:53 Two Stories - The call to enemy love

05:36 Grappling with enemy love

10:19 Tent of Nations - refusing to be enemies

11:29 How to build our capacity for enemy love

14:33 Creativity in refusing violence

17:30 Personal wrestling - who is my enemy?

21:25 Different versions of Jesus

22:11 The state of our hearts towards our enemies

23:17 Thank God I’m not like those people...

24:51 Speaking ill of others

29:28 Story from death row

34:03 Am I condoning my enemy’s behavior?

40:18 Loving individuals while resisting harmful systems

44:13 Closing

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Rev. Harold Good—Protestant minister, contemporary of Desmond Tutu, and key figure in Northern Ireland’s peace process—reflects on what it means to pastor through division. Having played a pivotal role in bringing Catholics and Protestants to the same table, Rev. Good shares hard-won wisdom for our polarized age, inviting us all to lead pastorally with courage, compassion, and the hope of reconciliation.

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Conflict is inevitable, but it doesn’t have to divide us. In this episode, Enneagram coach Rob Yackley joins Jer to explore the Enneagram and how each of the nine types tends to show up in conflict. Together, they explore each type’s default responses, the unique gifts and traps they bring, and practical ways each can move from reactivity to resourcefulness. Whether you’re new to the Enneagram or fluent in this resource, join us as we discover how the Enneagram can help us show up more fully, more compassionately, and more peaceably when things get hard.

02:00 Opening

02:43 The Dynamic Nature of the Enneagram

05:45 Enneagram and Conflict Navigation

06:53 Intro to Enneagram in the Context of Conflict

11:10 Core Desires and Fears of Each Type

16:30 The Two Tasks of Life

21:53 Virtues and Vices of the Nine Enneagram Types

36:08 Conflict and the Enneagram

41:44 Belly Breathing and Re-growing our Fuses

43:37 Practical Tips for Each Enneagram Type

50:24 The Importance of Otherness in Enneagram

52:12 Conclusion

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