Life transitions after purity culture can feel disorienting—shame, mixed messages, and binary thinking collide. With Linda Kay Klein, we name what life transitions look like during deconstruction and map one kinder next step so you don’t abandon yourself.

We unpack what “purity culture” is, how right/wrong binaries create internal tornadoes, why bothness (grief and relief) shows up in change, and the real ways it shapes adulthood and sexuality. Linda shares a practical three-part recovery path—deconstruction + reconstruction together, finding solidarity so you’re not alone, and (when ready) turning healing outward. If you’ve felt torn between who you were told to be and who you’re becoming, this conversation offers language, relief, and a gentler way forward.

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Feeling torn between selflessness and self-care while navigating transitions? In Part 2 with Rob Bell, we talk about reclaiming your inner knowing, how clarity emerges through stillness, and why healing isn’t “late”—it’s right on time.

You’ll hear a practical reframe for decision making when life feels complex, plus Nikki’s story of how a boundary/self-trust question from 10 years ago changed the trajectory of her life.

In this episode, we cover:

- How systems and power structures can train you to doubt your own intuition

- “The juice of life”: making choices without the fear of one perfect answer

- Self-care vs. selflessness (and why taking care of yourself expands what you can give)

- “Right on time” healing: releasing urgency and rebuilding peace of mind

- How to stay engaged with a hard world without losing yourself

This episode builds on Part 1 (“The Certainty Trap & Emotional Intelligence”). Listen to Part 1 HERE first for deeper context.

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- Join the Courageous Living Group Transformation

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Feeling stuck chasing the “right” answer? This episode uses emotional intelligence to break the certainty trap—so you can get out of your head, back into your body, and hold joy and grief side by side without spiraling.

In Part 1 with Rob Bell, we explore why binary thinking feels like safety (and why it’s often scarcity in disguise), the relationship between grief and imagination, and how learning to feel what’s true can unlock clarity and your next step.

In this episode, you’ll hear:

- Why the mind craves either/or—and how the heart can hold both

- How “rightness” can masquerade as moral certainty while actually fueling scarcity

- The grief → imagination link (and why grief moves in waves)

- Why we get stuck in our heads (and what it costs us)

- A freeing reframe for the “I should be farther along” story

This is Part 1. In Part 2, we get more practical about self-trust, embodiment, and choosing without certainty.

Follow the show so you don’t miss Part 2—and share this with a friend who’s in the messy middle.

Get Connected & Support the Show:

- Listen to the companion podcast: It's Both- Guided Meditations for Anxiety, Emotional Regulation, & Real Life Transitions

- Join the Courageous Living Group Transformation

- Follow Rob Bell on Instagram & visit his website

- Subscribe, rate, & review It's Both on Apple Podcasts