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Be My Guest – David Fesliyan (Royaltee Free)

Guests: Sima & Mai, Young Ambassadors for Peace / Parents Circle –Families Forum

Hosts: Alexandria, Mert & Efe

Sima and Mai are Young Ambassadors for Peace with the Parents Circle – Families Forum (PCFF), an organization of over 800 bereaved Israeli and Palestinian families who have each lost a close relative to the conflict. Mai's grandfather, Haim Perry, an artist and peace activist from Kibbutz Nir Oz, was taken hostage on October 7 and killed after four months in captivity. His uncle Daniel Darlington was killed at the Nova Festival the same day. Sima's 14-year-old brother was killed by an Israeli soldier, a loss that profoundly affected her family. Despite these tragedies, both dedicate themselves to reconciliation and dialogue, promoting peace, understanding, and coexistence. Through the Young Ambassadors program, they share this message in schools and communities across Israel, Palestine, and beyond.

In this final episode: We listen with the heart. The first and last words of this podcast belong to the people who have lost a loved one but still remain comitted to justice and peace. We begin and end the series with the human reality of the conflict, remembering that real people grieve and endure on both sides. Their stories, losses, and resilience have inspired this journey. The young olive tree on our podcast cover, growing in the desert, reminds us of the hope Sima and Mai bring to Israel and Palestine—the wounded and “magical land between the river and the sea” (Mai) they call home.

This episode was recorded July 23, 2025.

We dedicate our Podcast series to Sima & Mai, Udi Goren, Khalil Sayegh. To Tal’s wife Ela and their children Niv, Einav, Udi, and Lotan; to Khalil Sayegh’s mother and siblings; to Mai’s and Sima’s families; to her mother Bushra.

We dedicate this podcast to the blessed memory of:

Tal Chaimi,

Lara Sayegh,

Jeries Sayegh,

Mahmoud,

Haim Perry,

Daniel Darlington.

Efe, Mert, and Alexandria speak with Mai and Sima about their personal losses, the journey of healing, and their work fostering dialogue, understanding, and hope across deep divides.

Disclaimer:
Guest opinions are their own and do not necessarily reflect the views of the podcast team.

Technical legal terms are explained in Episode 36 with Prof. Claus Kreß; contested histories are addressed by Prof. Gudrun Krämer in Episode 21.

Guest: Prof. Eyal Naveh – Tel Aviv University

Hosts: Yusuf & Mert

Bio: Eyal Naveh is an Israeli historian and educator specializing in history education in conflict contexts. He has taught at Kibbutzim College of Education and Tel Aviv University, where he served as Head of the Department of General History and Chair of the General and Interdisciplinary Studies Program. Naveh is co-director of the Peace Research Institute in the Middle East and has been a visiting professor at Harvard, UC Berkeley, Cornell, the University of Toronto, Venice International University, and the University of Vienna. He is best known as a co-creator of the groundbreaking history textbook Side by Side: Parallel Histories of Israel-Palestine (2012), developed with Israeli traumatologist Prof. Dan Bar-On and Palestinian sociologist Prof. Sami Adwan. The book presents Israeli and Palestinian perspectives side by side, enabling students to engage with complex, conflicting narratives without flattening differences. It has received international recognition as a model for post-conflict history education.

In this episode: Yusuf and Mert speak with Prof. Naveh about the creation, use, and relevance of the groundbreaking history textbook Side by Side. They discuss collaborating with Israeli and Palestinian educators, the challenges of presenting contrasting narratives, and the book’s reception in schools and academia locally and internationally. The conversation explores the role of history education in conflict regions, political polarization, and teaching empathy, critical thinking, and complex truths to new generations. Prof. Naveh reflects on divisions since October 7, the shrinking space for peace education, and lessons for educators and students in Germany.

This episode was recorded July 22, 2025.

LInks:

Prof. Dr. Eyal Naveh: https://english.tau.ac.il/profile/enaveh

Prof. Dr. Sami Adwan: https://www.torgnysegerstedt.se/en/main-article-sami-adwan/

Prof. Dr. Dan Bar On: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Bar-On https://www.juedische-allgemeine.de/allgemein/pionier-des-dialogs/

Adwan, Sami, Dan Bar-On, and Eyal Naveh, editors. Side by Side: Parallel Histories of Israel-Palestine. The New Press, 2012. https://thenewpress.org/books/side-by-side/?v=eb65bcceaa5f

Peace Research Foundation in the Middle East: https://www.vispo.com/PRIME/index.htm

Disclaimer:
Guest opinions are their own and do not necessarily reflect the views of the podcast team.

Technical legal terms are explained in Episode 36 with Prof. Claus Kreß; contested histories are addressed by Prof. Gudrun Krämer in Episode 21.

Guests: Sharon Booth, CEO Solutions – Not Sides, Mohamed Ali Amla, Public Affairs Director, Solutions – Not Sides

Hosts: Mert, Alexandria, Yusuf

Bio:
Sharon Booth is the Founding Executive Director of Solutions – Not Sides, a leading UK NGO fostering constructive dialogue about Israel/Palestine in schools. She studied Theology and Religious Studies at Cambridge University, taught English in Tunisia, worked on youth publishing initiatives in Amman, and served at the British Embassy. She holds a master’s with distinction from King’s College London, specializing in nationalism and religion. In 2010, she founded Solutions – Not Sides to empower students to engage in non-partisan, solutions-focused learning.

Mohammed Ali Amla is the Public Affairs Director at Solutions – Not Sides, overseeing public affairs, crisis communication, strategic partnerships, and youth leadership programs. With over twenty years of experience in faith and policy, he is a researcher, educator, and practitioner. He founded Lita’arafu and Christian Muslim Encounters, advising widely on interfaith dialogue, conflict resolution, peace-building, and community leadership. He focuses on equipping young people to become bridge-builders while addressing antisemitism, Islamophobia, and structural inequality.

In this episode:
Mert, Alexandria, and Yusuf speak with Sharon Booth and Mohammed Ali Amla about Solutions – Not Sides’ mission and work. They discuss the NGO’s non-partisan, values-driven, and solutions-focused approach, including youth-led workshops and programs such as the Bridge Builders Programme and the Olive Branch Award. The conversation examines strategies for addressing bias, antisemitism, anti-Muslim racism, and for teaching empathy and critical thinking in schools. The guests share insights from classrooms and campuses across the UK, reflecting on broader international implications. Listeners gain practical guidance for creating safe spaces, fostering solutions-oriented thinking, and empowering young people to engage critically and empathetically with one of the world’s most contested conflicts.

This episode was recorded September 1, 2025.

Links: https://solutionsnotsides.co.uk/

Disclaimer:
Guest opinions are their own and do not necessarily reflect the views of the podcast team.

Technical legal terms are explained in Episode 36 with Prof. Claus Kreß; contested histories are addressed by Prof. Gudrun Krämer in Episode 21.

Guest: Prof. Dr. Björn Krondorfer, Northern Arizona University

Hosts: Yusuf & Efe

Bio: Björn Krondorfer is the Endowed Professor of Religious Studies and Director of the Martin-Springer Institute at Northern Arizona University. He holds a Ph.D. in Comparative Religion from Temple University and studied Protestant Theology in Frankfurt/Main and Göttingen, Germany. Krondorfer is internationally recognized for his work on post-Holocaust reconciliation, historical trauma, and dialogue among Germans, Israelis, and Palestinians. He brings descendants of Holocaust victims and perpetrators into conversation and extends these dialogues to include Palestinian narratives. He is the author of Unsettling Empathy: Working with Groups in Conflict (2020), Reconciliation in Global Context (2018), and The Holocaust and Masculinities (2020), and facilitates workshops, field encounters, and critical pedagogy that put dialogue into practice. He is the co-chair of the Consortium of Higher Education Centers for Holocaust, Genocide and Human Rights Studies (2020-to date) and the President of the Association for Public Religion and Intellectual Life (2023-to date).

In this episode: Yusuf and Efe speak with Prof. Krondorfer about engaging groups affected by historical trauma and conflict, including descendants of Holocaust victims and perpetrators, as well as Germans, Israelis, and Palestinians. They explore intergenerational, transgenerational, historical, and cultural trauma, and how these traumas shape relationships across generations. Krondorfer explains his method of “Unsettling Empathy,” which engages conflicting truths and power dynamics while fostering ethically grounded, emotionally aware dialogue. The discussion covers silenced Palestinian narratives in Germany, Germany’s responsibility toward Israel, and the triangular relationship including Palestinian experiences. Listeners gain insight into how historical wounds, empathy, and self-awareness can transform dialogue, the importance of holding conflicting truths simultaneously, and practical lessons for educators, mediators, and those seeking to bridge deep divides.

This episode was recorded July 31, 2025.

Links:

Prof. Dr. Björn Krondorfer: https://in.nau.edu/martin-springer/staff/about-the-director/

Unsettling Empathy. Working with Groups in Conflict (Bloomsbury, 2020): https://tinyurl.com/mnwdjyhd

https://lernen-aus-der-geschichte.de/International/content/12232

Review by Dani Kranz: https://tinyurl.com/mrxtkmpw

Disclaimer:
Guest opinions are their own and do not necessarily reflect the views of the podcast team.

Technical legal terms are explained in Episode 36 with Prof. Claus Kreß; contested histories are addressed by Prof. Gudrun Krämer in Episode 21.

Guest: Dr. Per Leo, Historian & Author, Wissenschaftskolleg zu Berlin

Hosts: Efe & Philip

Bio: Per Leo studied history, philosophy, and Slavic Studies in Freiburg and Berlin, earning his PhD in 2009 at Humboldt University. His novel Flut und Boden (2015), which reflects on his grandfather Friedrich Leo, an SS-Sturmbannführer, and the family’s history during the Nazi era, was shortlisted for the 2014 Leipzig Book Fair Prize and received several awards. Since 2021, Leo has critically examined German culture of remembrance in the context of the Middle East conflict and migration, notably in his essay Tränen ohne Trauer (2021). He writes for leading publications including Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, Süddeutsche Zeitung, Die Zeit, Die Welt, and Neue Rundschau, and lives in Berlin with his family as a freelance author. He is a 2024/2025 fellow at the Institute for Advanced Study in Berlin (Wissenschaftskolleg zu Berlin) where he examines how schools deal with the Israel/Palestine conflict.

In this episode: Efe and Philip speak with Dr. Per Leo about how the Israel-Palestine conflict is addressed in Berlin schools. Drawing on his research and conversations with teachers, parents, and students, Dr. Leo examines how the conflict is taught, how schools both reflect and diverge from broader societal discourse, and the challenges educators face in navigating such a sensitive topic. He reflects on the distinction between memory culture and critical historical consciousness, the importance of the Beutelsbach Consensus in teaching such a contested topic, and the necessity of embracing multiple perspectives.

This episode was recorded July 11, 2025.

Links:

Dr. Per Leo: https://www.wiko-berlin.de/fellows/akademisches-jahr/2024/leo-per

Disclaimer:
Guest opinions are their own and do not necessarily reflect the views of the podcast team.

Technical legal terms are explained in Episode 36 with Prof. Claus Kreß; contested histories are addressed by Prof. Gudrun Krämer in Episode 21.

Guests: Mohamed Ibrahim – Political Scientist and Educator; recipient of the Flechtheim Award for Democracy & Human Rights 2015

Sapir Huberman – Mediator, Curator, Scholar & Educator

Host: Efe

Bio: Mohamed Ibrahim is a political scientist specializing in international cooperation. For over 15 years, he has led workshops on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict with Israeli colleagues and works as an interreligious and intercultural trainer in Jewish-Muslim and Israeli-Palestinian dialogue. He has facilitated workshops for the Ehrlich-Ludwig-Studienwerk and Avicenna Studienwerk and moderated a Jewish-Muslim discussion group at the Jewish Museum Berlin. Born in a Palestinian refugee camp in Lebanon and raised in Germany, he received the Flechtheim Prize for Democracy and Human Rights in 2015 with Shemi Shabat for his dialogue work. He is one of the most respected voices for Israeli-Palestinian dialogue in Germany.

Sapir Huberman is an Israeli mediator, curator, scholar, and cultural educator who develops educational programs on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, Jewish history, and Jewish life. She is pursuing a PhD in Literature and Cultural Studies at Justus Liebig University Giessen. Born in Tel Aviv as a descendant of Holocaust survivors, she has lived in Berlin for several years. The recent escalation of the Middle East conflict is deeply personal for her, as her siblings survived the October 7 massacre in a safe room in Kibbutz Beeri.

Together, Sapir Huberman and Mohamed Ibrahim create dialogue spaces that foster understanding through multiperspectivity, enabling nuanced engagement with the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. They listen and reflect with care, cultivating spaces that hold the conflicting emotions arising from vastly different lived experiences.

In this episode: We speak with Mohamed Ibrahim and Sapir Huberman about their personal and family connections to Israel and Palestine and their work facilitating dialogue.

This episode was recorded September 7, 2025.

Links:

Mohamed Ibrahim: https://www.jmberlin.de/interview-tandemfuehrungen-ausstellung-jerusalem https://taz.de/Nahostkonflikt-und-Holocaust-an-Schulen/!5033577/

Sapir Huberman: https://il.linkedin.com/in/sapir-huberman-711b904

To contact both: NahostImDialog@gmx.de

Disclaimer:
Guest opinions are their own and do not necessarily reflect the views of the podcast team.

Technical legal terms are explained in Episode 36 with Prof. Claus Kreß; contested histories are addressed by Prof. Gudrun Krämer in Episode 21.

Guests: Jouanna Hassoun / Shai Hoffmann – Trialog / Gesellschaft im Wandel gGmbH

Hosts: Philip, Bünyamin

Bio: Jouanna Hassoun is the founder of Transaidency, a German-Palestinian organization promoting intercultural dialogue, empowerment, and human rights education. She regularly facilitates dialogue formats in schools.

Shai Hoffmann is a Social entrepreneur, educational activist, and podcast host (Über Israel und Palästina sprechen). Known for innovative political dialogue initiatives such as the Bus der Begegnungen and Tiny Space Über Israel und Palästina sprechen, he brings together people who rarely engage with one another.

Together, Jouanna and Shai run the project Trialog, visiting schools since October 7 to discuss the massacre, the ongoing devastation of Gaza, and its impact on Muslim and Jewish life in Germany. Their aim is to create spaces where students can ask difficult questions, explore multiple perspectives, and see that both Jewish and Palestinian experiences matter. Their work and experiences are documented in a common book. They have both received numerous awards for the commitment for human rights and peace education.

In this episode: We speak with Jouanna Hassoun and Shai Hoffmann about their personal and family connections to Israel and Palestine, how these shaped their identities in Germany, and their first encounters with the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. They share their experiences conducting dialogue and human rights education in schools: what works, typical challenges, and surprising student reactions. They discuss how the current attacks on international law affect democracy education and the challenges teachers face when engaging with controversial issues in classrooms and why they should not avoid speaking about the Middle East conflict. Finally, Jouanna and Shai share their short- and long-term visions for Israel and Palestine, highlighting the importance of dialogue, humanity, and principled engagement in times of crisis.

This episode was recorded April 14, 2025.

Links:

Shai Hoffmann: https://shaihoffmann.de/

Jouanna Hassoun: https://www.instagram.com/jouannahassoun/?hl=de

Trialog: https://israelpalaestinavideos.org/trialog-buch

Transaidency e.V.: https://transaidency.org/trialoge-israel-palaestina/

Gesellschaft im Wandel gGmbH: https://www.gesellschaftimwandel.org/

Disclaimer:
Guest opinions are their own and do not necessarily reflect the views of the podcast team.

Technical legal terms are explained in Episode 36 with Prof. Claus Kreß; contested histories are addressed by Prof. Gudrun Krämer in Episode 21.